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to be tortured before she is cruxed or left as healthy as possible so she struggles as long as possible?

Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging?

Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross?

and whatever comments/suggestions you'd like

kisses

willowfall
 
willowfall said:
to be tortured before she is cruxed or left as healthy as possible so she struggles as long as possible?

Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging?

Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross?

and whatever comments/suggestions you'd like

kisses

willowfall
I would prefer the victum to be healthy as possible so they would suffer longer.Like me they would be stripped naked then put to the cross.As for torture,I think being nailed is torture enough.
 
I like the whole process of crucifixion
the trial sentencing
then torture prior to carrying the patibulum, and then the putting the victim on the cross.
and after the victim hangs from the cross, a bit more torture.
 
Not too much torture, mostly whipping.
Naked before lying down on the cross.
Once there, let the victim alone, means stop any torture.
 
OK, after all the brouhaha on the 'terrible tortures before crucifixion' thread I'll spout some opinion at length here. So anyone who's bored by a lot of meandering chatter, skip this.

-- Torture before crux --

The stamina of the victim should not be reduced too much. So before the crux may be a good time for all manner of humiliations, rape, and reasonable whippings, but no 'Passion of Christ' style shredder-floggings.

A decent whipping of the back, buttocks and shoulders will certainly increase her sensitivity to the roughness of the wood, and if she is suspended from the cross in a not too painful manner it may increase her inclination to move. If she's nailed, the pain from rubbing freshly whipped skin on wood will most likely seem rather inconsequential.
(When I say "nailed" I mean a victim who is carrying weight on the nails. That would not be the case with for instance the contemporary Easter "crucifixions" on the Philippines, were hands and feet of fully standing volunteers are merely pierced with slim nails and no weight rests on them)

So usually preparatory whipping should be done, for a public scenario it is a good introduction of the victim to the crowd and builds suspense and expectations, for the victim herself it is an introduction to her role as tortured object. For public humiliation and entertainment breast torture is also sometimes a rewarding option.

Lastly it all depends on the scenario, one can also imagine the opposite. Perhaps an individual of initially high status has been without doubt found guilty of treasonous conduct by a group of men in whose right it is to both pronounce the judgement, and carry it out; she might be lured by a forged communication along precisely the channels that she used for her treason, to lure her to a prepared spot, where a cross has been prepared just out of sight. There she is met by a group of people that encompass all necessary authorities, is accused and while the incrimination is still being read out finds herself being nailed to a cross before she can possibly comprehend the turn of events against her cause. Might be enjoyable as well.


-- Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging? --

One of the attractions of crucifixion is that it doesn't need anything other than the cross, the victim's own body and the force of gravity to effect fearsome torture. Of course the victim's body will always instinctively seek out any position where pain is momentarily lessened, and if additional pain is introduced by way of more whipping, branding, etc. she will certainly react, but for me this adds relatively little to the experience of crux.

If only a limited time is allotted for the crucifixion, any amount of additional torture might be applied like skinning, flaying, burning etc. but somewhere this will reach the point where the crucifixion is merely a suspension (however painful) to make the victim available to these tortures, that destroy her more quickly than the cross itself. These scenarios I do not find attractive, so usually I'm not a fan of garish Roman arena scenes.

So in general, no additional tortures except those that work together with the cross, such as sedile/cornu variations.

If it seems that the victim faints easily, and is wasting too much time in that state, or if she returns too frequently to a preferred position that appears less painful, she can be regulated with any implement of choice whether it's whips, torches, brands, spikes or whatever.

But none of this should damage the fullness of her ability to properly appreciate her crucifixion.

So even once she is on the cross, I still give my veto to the infamous violation by red-hot poker :)

If the cross is not used as an instrument of execution, but merely to suspend and display her, of course anything goes, but I'm not an enthusiast for the classic dungeon torture + execution process, so the victim would eventually come down again in one piece.

Honestly if I don't want to execute her by crux I don't want to execute her any other way, so she survives the day.


-- Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross --

Usually I would pefer the victim to be reduced to nudity or near nudity before being crucified. In a classic Roman public execution scenario , rags/loincloth might remain during the march to the sessorium just to draw more followers to watch the final stripping immediately before the crux.

If the victim is not aware that her punishment will be the cross, keeping her partially clothed on the way to her fate may be a good idea to keep up some hopes to dash later. Especially if she has perhaps seen slaves driven nude to the cross before, the fact that she is allowed to retain some clothing may make her believe that lesser horrors await her. Which may create a delicious moment of shock and outrage when she is confronted with her destiny on the cross.

Leaving the victim clothed while she is being fixed to the cross and only then slowly stripping her might make good sense if crux is done not as an execution, but for public display and humiliation (or the goal is to wrongly make her believe that she is merely to be displayed, with events escalating to execution later).

Simply put, once a victim has been brutally nailed to a cross, and experiences herself inescapably in the process of dying in a horrible way - for all matters of fact dead already - the additional impact of then being stripped is probably not that great.

If however she's roped up for public ridicule and display she may well beg honestly to keep a few rags as it still might make a genuine difference to her perception of self whether she is so displayed completely nude or with any remaining cover. If she was not an owned slave in the first place it might also be symbolic of whether there remains a chance for her to regain any modicum of social standing after her punishment or whether she is by the act of this punishment also simultaneously reduced to slavery, perhaps to be sold right off the display.

In sum I'm not too much of an enthusiast for the classic Roman execution scenario, because it is a predefined script whose purpose is the demonstration and elevation of the power of the state over the individual, and the Roman carnifex is just a cog in that machine. I never imagine mnyself in the role of a Roman carnifex.

Even the slave owner running a private crucifixion on a large, profit-oriented estate will often be following the prescriptions of sociodynamic and economic logic - transgressions that are generally expected to be punished with crux will follow that script as it will be the most cost-effective way of upholding authority, as opposed to perhaps later having to suppress widespread disobedience in an expensive manner if commonly cruxable offences are met with lighter punishment; or a profit-reducing large outflow of fugitives if on the contrary even the lightest offence leads to the cross, or punishment is used too randomly.

So I usually prefer scenarios where the crux itself is largely at the whim of an independent individual - including the full range from sparing the victim after some torture and humiliation, to an all-out brutal execution and letting the body rot on on the cross in the view of all. But it all depends on the situation, often I will prefer one where the progression of the punishment remains intransparent and unpredictable for the victim for as long as possible. However the inescapable procedure where the victim knows each step beforehand - stripping, whipping, deathmarch, nailing, dance unto death - and is utterly unable to prevent the progression may also have its appeal. How and where torture/stripping before or after crux is individually preferable depends entirely on the storyline, and I'll stop here because otherwise I'd actually have to write one.
 
Algabal, you are articulate and thoughtful and have a lot more patience than do I in actually sitting down and typing at length on this theme.

My main observation is "Yeah, what you said."

Crucifixion was a hellish torture in and of itself. Additional tortures would serve a.) to provide a ghastly, grisly, albeit popular show and b.) to shorten the ordeal through blood loss and shock. Both might be the intent.

But I do prefer scenarios in which the victim is nailed butt naked to the cross and will have up to a week to ponder her situation.
 
Oh yeah. Re additional torture.

You need some way to wake up the crucified if they've fainted. And the means by which this as done may be found on this ca. 100 C.E. advertisement for a crux contractor.

He is to set up crosses and supply without charge nails, pitch, wax, tapers and anything else that is necessary for this in order to deal with the condemned man.

Pitch? Wax? Tapers? I've noted elsewhere this sounds like a BDSM scene absent a safe word. But if you want to wake her up after she's fainted from the pain, "pitch, wax, and tapers" would do the job.

And this is evidence that crucified victims were subject to further torments after they were crucified.

Make up your own fantasies, folks. The ways of crucifixion were varied in the ancient world, and I don't think you can exceed the imagination of the Romans.
 
apostate630 said:
And the means by which this as done may be found on this ca. 100 C.E. advertisement for a crux contractor.
Another interesting tidbit to that text is the bell-ringing red-cloaked procession with the corpse. Quite a ceremony.

the work-gang is to be dressed in red and ring a bell while dragging away the body, or bodies if there are several.
 
algabal said:
apostate630 said:
And the means by which this as done may be found on this ca. 100 C.E. advertisement for a crux contractor.
Another interesting tidbit to that text is the bell-ringing red-cloaked procession with the corpse. Quite a ceremony.

the work-gang is to be dressed in red and ring a bell while dragging away the body, or bodies if there are several.
I liked your very detailed report,very informative,thank you algabal!
 
to be tortured before she is cruxed or left as healthy as possible so she struggles as long as possible?

Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging?

Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross?

and whatever comments/suggestions you'd like

kisses

willowfall
HEADSPACE (or "bottom-space") is the whole point. There may be theatric elements that lend to the experience or a script of all kinds. But whatever is done (whether in real life or imagination) the goal is to promote the headspace experience.

Theatrical trappings may be really important to some. Personally, historical accuracy, outward appearances or a story line are less important aspects to me -- like adding spice to a main dish. All that is nice, but sometimes distracting from the main course.

There is the idea of power exchange -- submission or domination, powerlessness in the face of pain or death from either the point of view of top or bottom -- or both. A bit of flogging beforehand is nice. Carrying the crosspiece is also fine -- it adds a bit of variety. The exhaustion begins to break down the resistance from carrying it. But the same thing would happen if our victim was tied to the cross immediately. But extreme torture beforehand or during is, in my opinion, missing the point. Gravity and time work wonders. Just have a little patience and wait for gravity and time, and there is all the torture that can possibly be inflicted. So, like, what's the big hurry that torture is needed during cruxing? You gotta pick something up at the mall before they close? :) Just hang in there and enjoy.

The main turn-on for me is the spectacle of resistance being slowly drained away. It is something supremely spiritual. Pain, exhaustion, impossibility of escape -- these bridge the gap between fantasy and reality. (And something that goes far, far beyond this -- but there isn't time here...)

And clothes. Pshaw. How annoying that something so unnecessary would get in the way. Really.

Regards, Aaron
 
Aaron said:
to be tortured before she is cruxed or left as healthy as possible so she struggles as long as possible?

Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging?

Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross?

and whatever comments/suggestions you'd like

kisses

willowfall
HEADSPACE (or "bottom-space") is the whole point. There may be theatric elements that lend to the experience or a script of all kinds. But whatever is done (whether in real life or imagination) the goal is to promote the headspace experience.

Theatrical trappings may be really important to some. Personally, historical accuracy, outward appearances or a story line are less important aspects to me -- like adding spice to a main dish. All that is nice, but sometimes distracting from the main course.

There is the idea of power exchange -- submission or domination, powerlessness in the face of pain or death from either the point of view of top or bottom -- or both. A bit of flogging beforehand is nice. Carrying the crosspiece is also fine -- it adds a bit of variety. The exhaustion begins to break down the resistance from carrying it. But the same thing would happen if our victim was tied to the cross immediately. But extreme torture beforehand or during is, in my opinion, missing the point. Gravity and time work wonders. Just have a little patience and wait for gravity and time, and there is all the torture that can possibly be inflicted. So, like, what's the big hurry that torture is needed during cruxing? You gotta pick something up at the mall before they close? :) Just hang in there and enjoy.

The main turn-on for me is the spectacle of resistance being slowly drained away. It is something supremely spiritual. Pain, exhaustion, impossibility of escape -- these bridge the gap between fantasy and reality. (And something that goes far, far beyond this -- but there isn't time here...)

And clothes. Pshaw. How annoying that something so unnecessary would get in the way. Really.

Regards, Aaron
Very well stated,thank you Aaron!
 
Dance under the sky

willowfall said:
to be tortured before she is cruxed or left as healthy as possible so she struggles as long as possible?
Be cruxed and done or cruxed and tortured while hanging?
Naked before cruxed or stripped while on the cross?
and whatever comments/suggestions you'd like
kisses
willowfall

Y'know, there's something important that's not mentioned here yet.

It's the difference between beautiful lovemaking and disgusting rape. It's consent. Sure, fantasy is where anything goes, where pigs can sprout wings. But the biggest and most potent turn-on IMHO is doing it for real. Frankly, I prefer not to break my toys so that I can play with them again and again -- but while I play with them, THEN I can add a little imagination.

But hey, I like to take REALLY GOOD CARE of my toys, both the one in my toybag and the one I use the toys on. The idea of busting up a really marvelous toy forever is not a turn-on for me. If I'm topping, I'm not satisfied until the bottom knows deep in its little heart that escape is totally impossible, that if I walk out that door and don't return then they are dead because I am really good at rope-work. They are totally helpless. They know that I won't harm them in any way non-consensually -- but what makes it really work is the Plausible Possibility of Death. I won't but I COULD. And, pain precedes death a lot of the time; and cruxing is one delightfully whopping load of pain. And, of course, it has been famous for executions. But killing itself is a turn-off. So crude and unimaginative.

If I want imagination and wild extremes, I like the way the 'Pearl' (anonymous Victorian erotica) does it -- having some minor infraction punished by extreme birching, and the violator must report back every weekend for a bruised and bloodied rump for several weeks running; (OK, sometimes I like to leave marks) or a couple caught at intrigue, punished by flogging every two hours for a day or two. Not death, but skillfully making them fear it is just around the corner. Sure, executions may be necessary, but it's so -- inelegant and coarse and ugly. I'm after torture and beauty -- neither death nor disfigurement (the goal is torture, not discomfort. Soft padding is fine.)

The main thing about cruxing is that so very much pain can be given, leaving so little outward trace -- and the magical Plausible Possibility of Death is even more present than with any other means. Very attractive kink.

Just a thought -- I like clothespins (especially the plastic ones with a good bite) because they can be applied to the "canvas" and I can sit back and watch the results unfold like a rose; or give them a brush or playful tug and see truth and sincerity. But they can leave marks, which is OK sometimes but not always. If I wanted marks, I'd buy a set of paints and a brush (That's just my preference, I guess. Some like lots of marks. Fine. I can do that, too. Really. I aim to please and my aim is pretty fair.)

But regarding clothespins -- the biggest, finest clothespin of all, with by far the fiercest bite, incomparably scarier and paradoxically capable of leaving the least marks, generally inescapable and the most terpsichorean -- is cruxing skillfully done. I always loved watching modern dance performances --and these solo arial performances are so SINCERE -- no fakery or pretense or rehearsal, no one forgets their lines because the lines are firmly holding wrists and ankles in place.

Any ladies care to dance under the sky? And sing to me? Especially before the mosquitos come out? Hurry, if you are anywhere between Chicago and Indianapolis. One rule, whether crux or shibari -- no fabric. There are woods and privacy.

(There is yet another very important aspect to the experience of any well-designed ordeal, the spiritual, metaphysical part -- but this post is too long already.)

Cordially, Aaron

LOVE IT!
 
You expressed that so beautifully, Aaron.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the spiritual and metaphysical side to this sort of activity. This might not be the best forum for such a discussion, but as a masochist I find many good scenes take me into a spiritual realm of experience to a greater or lesser degree depending on the intensity (and probably a number of intangibles).

-- Samantha (in Columbus)
 
Re: Do You prefer Your Vicitm -- the Ordeal

dublingrrl1953 said:
You expressed that so beautifully, Aaron.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the spiritual and metaphysical side to this sort of activity. This might not be the best forum for such a discussion, but as a masochist I find many good scenes take me into a spiritual realm of experience to a greater or lesser degree depending on the intensity (and probably a number of intangibles).

-- Samantha (in Columbus)

Thanks!
One of the best ways to get into deep headspace -- another name for spiritual and metaphysical -- is through a good heavy scene.

But what can and has happened now and then, cannot be explained only as happy chemicals and pleasant patterns of neural events in the brain.

Nope, there's more going on. A lot more. And a heavy scene is a way, or portal, to entering another world. But actually we humans are the ones in another world, isolated and quarantined from the rest of the universe. A heavy scene -- what I called the "Plausible Possibility of Death" -- is a loophole in the contract that keeps us sick, stupid, isolated and deluded.

I've done a lot of research into this. A whole lot, for decades. And I've found how to access the portal to the rest of the universe. There's so much proof that it blew me away when I first came across it. I always suspected as much, but I never thought that there would be so much proof of it.

I did some experimentation with a trusted friend to see if there indeed was any truth to it. A couple of times stuff happened that cannot be explained away; stuff that is entirely impossible. There are actually Beings that we can converse with through the portal. But this is no ordinary conversing. First of all, we humans are approaching a really big thinning of the herd. These Beings told us about it in a way that is impossible to hoax. (I'm very well acquainted with hoaxing, with stage illusions, con artists, and mind sets that invite illusions.)

Enrico Fermi (famous physicist) was debating the existence of other civilizations elsewhere -- there are trillions of stars; surely there must be some of them out there that are trying to contact us (like SETI). Even if life is extremely fragile and unlikely, there are so many suns out there, that there should be a bunch of them that are trying to contact us, one way or another; and there should be artifacts left behind somewhere by them. But Fermi asked, "Where are they?" All the evidence we have -- psychic messages, holy scripture and religion, UFO sightings, etc.) have proven to be elusive. So, where are they, why are they avoiding us (or why does it seem so), and why haven't they made themselves known (like the classic SciFi movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" where they land on the White House lawn?

There is an answer to this. I found it around August of 2005. It is so original and extreme that it cannot be written off as chance or a hoax. I have been writing about this on my website, home (dot) Sprintmail (dot) com (slash) (~ tilde) bigjim2c (slash). (There's nothing I'm selling, no links or other commercial junk on the site). Some of the info is even crucifixion-related and torture-related, with regard to the 1731 Paris incident -- plus dozens of other related phenomena, all of which point to an invitation to escape a disaster that is about to hit us, harder than anything that has ever befallen mankind. This is slated for six to seven years from now. I arrived at it from one direction when I cracked the code in Daniel's prophecies. Then I noticed a cluster of other predictions that described a possible but highly unlikely set of astronomical events, that are expected to happen just once every 3700 years on average; checking with astronomical data, I found that the astronomic events coincided exactly with the first pair of adjacent years, from the first source.

The message was hidden in front of us, for centuries. It also states that the message will be hidden by a sort of mass hypnosis or mental cloud of dullness -- until just before the end comes.

so, what does this have to do with crucifying women who give their consent to this extreme torture? Actually, a lot.

Our leaders (political, religious, military, etc.) are all idiots, deluded by treachery. No surprise there. The only ones even vaguely trustworthy are the ones open-minded enough to do what shocks the rest of the planet -- there are a number of people who refuse to follow the crowd, of course, who might be trusted with this contact that is slated to happen shortly. And one of the clearest examples of such a group, is a group fascinated with (guess what?) consensual, non-religiously-oriented crux scenes -- the most un-vanilla concept possible. ("Vanilla" is popular and accepted, and apparently rots the morals and intellect -- so these Beings just don't care for "vanilla".)

This delightful ordeal is really extreme. It is meant to be. It's a pons asinorum that these Beings find useful. (There are other things, too. But most of them were unnoticed or rationalized away...)

One of the clever things about the subtext of the message is that it is given repeatedly -- and each time it is given in a slightly different way. But the subtext is so simple -- about a dozen or so items -- and the SAME answers are given over and over and over, as word plays, puns, examples, metaphors, historical allusions, sum-checks, riddles, etc. Once the answers are pointed out, it seems incredible that no one noticed the redundant answers. Most of them are so simple that schoolchildren could have found them -- or so it seems in retrospect. But no one hit on the simple, elegant solution in the hundreds of pages of scholarly exercises and religious commentaries.

But don't believe me, go and see for yourself. I was in shocked disbelief for weeks at first. And I still find more and more evidence, and it all points to the same few subtexts. The more I tried to disprove the thesis -- that we are living in a DMZ that is about to be turned over to its original owners after many thousands of years -- the more evidence I found that the thesis was indeed correct. A corollary to the thesis is that about two thirds of everything that mainstream Christians, Jews and atheist/agnosic/humanists believe is wrong (each group has its own set of delusions). You want proof? You can have all you want. It seems that these Beings are looking for volunteers. And their proof is nothing subtle. Just as cruxing is not subtle. nor socially acceptable. These Beings seem to show up at heavy scenes, and they are very fascinated with any requests, especially when done with a whole-hearted inquisitiveness and innocence. Some things seem to work really well, we found.

Sincerely, Aaron

(One especially relevant clue is being posted today or tomorrow regarding the 1731 St. Medard events. In fact, it's really relevant. Perhaps even very predictive in more ways than one.)

Cordially, Aaron
 
dublingrrl1953 said:
You expressed that so beautifully, Aaron.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the spiritual and metaphysical side to this sort of activity. This might not be the best forum for such a discussion, but as a masochist I find many good scenes take me into a spiritual realm of experience to a greater or lesser degree depending on the intensity (and probably a number of intangibles).

-- Samantha (in Columbus)


We can always have this type of discussion and this board is prefectly appropriate for it.

For all of us this 'kink' for lack a better term touches something deep inside of us. It isn't just seeing a naked woman or man, there are plenty of other venues for that. There is something about the images and experience that strikes us.

So discuss away and we can always just ignore the neaderthals.

kisses

willowfall
 
Arron:

The SUREST sign there is intelligent life out there is that they AREN'T visiting us.

I think one of the issues I have with doomsday scenarios is the presumption that somehow humanity is the culmination and pinnacle in evolution. Previous dominant species have been wiped out by totally impartial random incidences. Why wouldn't we be the same?

You mention a timeline a confluence of events but you only go 3700 years back to the last confluence of these events. Humans have survived much longer than that, even as recognizable civiliations without being wiped out.

As to the spiritual aspects of cruxing. As an athelete I know "no pain, no gain". I have always been fascinated by my reaction to pain. And also with the feelings that go with defeat. For me cathartically, being cruxed is the ultimate convergence point of those feelings. Despair, pain, loss of control, humiliation. All come together in an "act" which is both terrible and erotic. But not erotic for the victim just for the tormentors and by standers

kisses

willowfall
 
willowfall said:
Arron:

The SUREST sign there is intelligent life out there is that they AREN'T visiting us.

:D For sure.

I think one of the issues I have with doomsday scenarios is the presumption that somehow humanity is the culmination and pinnacle in evolution. Previous dominant species have been wiped out by totally impartial random incidences. Why wouldn't we be the same?

Really. The reason for no contact is not that we are so wonderful that we are the "culmination and pinnacle of evolution".

It's really embarrassing. The real reason is that our first anointed leaders (known as Adam and Eve) sold themselves and us down the river for a big lie, hoping to cheat a little and not get caught, and rationalize the treachery by blaming someone else. It didn't work. Our basic mental/moral disease that has caused us to be quarantined is granted by their agreement to allow our minds and instincts to be programmed as it were, to accept the idea of deceit and treachery as a rational possibility. Unfortunately this was a binding agreement that they were authorized to make -- they were suckered by some con artists. That got us all branded as unreliable and treacherous. So, we are isolated; but all contracts end eventually. (The details in the prophecies are downright scary, because they name names and years, centuries ahead of time. This stuff is NOT a collection of folk tales. Three people are mentioned with the dates commonly associated with them -- and every single detail matches the historical record -- and nobody noticed the hundreds of blatant clues. ("hundreds" is not an exaggeration.)

The whole thing is easily the most disturbing thing imaginable. We're under probation at present. These guys have been waiting for he contract to expire, and we got a thinly veiled copy of the negotiations and terms -- there's a copy in every hotel room, and every store. Every part of the "contract" is repeated in different ways to make it very plain (when finally understood) -- if we all show ourselves to be worthless, treacherous vermin, we will be exterminated with extreme prejudice. It's actually just one single doomsday scenario explained in several ways from various perspectives, and it gives historical examples of what is in store, as a little taste of what they will do. It will happen just one more time, on a large scale, very suddenly, and never happen again.

If no one is pained and regretful at the general misconduct of us as a planetwide race and civilization, all trace will be wiped out and Earth will be repopulated with better stock. No one will miss us. But the style of the prophecies is that we are given a choice. If enough people are willing to TOTALLY humble themselves, we will escape. (There are plenty of surprising examples of what They are looking for)

Now, lissen up carefully here:

Our sorry excuses for "leaders" imagine that they might impress any Visitors that arrive, and certainly assume that they will be treated as equals. Nope. Won't happen. These Beings make it painfully clear what they want, and it is a sincere show of honest humility, willingness to accept blame and punishment, and a willingness to completely submit and abandon every shred of arrogance and all rationalizations and totally surrendering. And, anyone who can do this, or even honestly try to do this, will be amply rewarded. (Those who refuse will be erased and never missed again, like a forgotten dream.)

This should be starting to sound familiar.

A certain person can be greatly offended by even the slightest show of arrogant, prejudiced bigotry, and enraged and saddened at the widespread institutionalized abuses of basic human rights that we see all around us -- people denied health care and support and charged outrageous interest rates because they are poor -- women who are divorced or widowed are shamefully neglected in our courts (I have seen this very recently) -- and how admitted convicted criminals have more rights than someone with even a minor mental disability. Someone can be angered and disgusted by such abuses and deeply hate every instance of it they experience -- and then walk into a bdsm scene and willingly be stripped naked, cuffed, blindfolded, then flogged and humiliated in front of strangers even suffering extreme pain -- and later want to do it again, and be swept away with intense erotic feelings just thinking about it. But during the scene they feel pain and not pleasure and they'd do anything to escape it -- yet they persist through it.

Most people of the vanilla persuasion will see a serious disconnect in the preceding paragraph. Yet there isn't -- not in the lives of certain people. The necessity for this is explained in exhaustive detail in the prophecies. There is something here that is incredibly important.

As to the spiritual aspects of cruxing. As an athelete I know "no pain, no gain". I have always been fascinated by my reaction to pain. And also with the feelings that go with defeat. For me cathartically, being cruxed is the ultimate convergence point of those feelings. Despair, pain, loss of control, humiliation. All come together in an "act" which is both terrible and erotic. But not erotic for the victim just for the tormentors and by standers

kisses

willowfall

Wow. You're a poet speaking my heart. Thank you so much for the feedback. You make me realize I know less than I think I do. But what I do know, is that there's something profoundly frightening and beautiful and sacred going on that is hidden and very real. (A birthing process?) Thanks again.
 
Some of my victums love the stations of the cross. The trial is humilating to her because I cut off her arguments. The guilty verdic is unfair. The pillar has her bent over a sofa. She carries a two by four beam. She walks to the cross naked. She likes what I do while she is on the cross (soft ropes). In my games the victum calls the action with code words. Some want me to change there feet "to maximize their misery". This means less oxogyn to th brain. I am armed with a vibrater ect. I could continue but I need, really need, to cll D... I hope she is not busy. ( Pins are the nails)
 
I was asked why I wanted to post, was the content inproper? I think of the crux thing as fun and games and the victum is in charge.
 
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