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Women torturing women
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SntAriandel
Onlooker
Great posts, thanks for sharing. I hope there is a place for me too in the dungeon
linda r
Governor
Great screaming!
doe1971
Tribune
Women torturing women ... how unlikely in real life ... not only women are psychologically more caring and compassionate (for evolutionary reasons), they lack for the most part the sexual drive that propel men into inflicting pain (alongside with many other deviations). Just saying.
Silent_Water
Tribune
Hm, unfortunately, the real life is and was sometimes more unlikely than most "normal" people would ever have believed.
In our German history, there were chapters most Germans really did not believe until they saw the evidence and in a closed society where you do not have access to other opinions, you can be raised and taught to accept and even commit cruelties which are or were unknown before in a "civilized society". Some of these 3.700 (!) women were raised by fanatics and later very well paid to commit atrocities and some of them regarded it to be privileged to be highly paid to commit cruelties:
Female guards in Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia
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Tormentor
Governor
I couldn't agree more!
doe1971
Tribune
Female guards in Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia
I lend more credit to the Hannah Arendt's 'banality of evil' when it comes to judgement of people. Or Sholzenitzin's 'dividing line that cross through each of our hearts'. I doubt evil exists in vacuum.
Silent_Water
Tribune
I agree there are many people who would never cross some lines of "evil behaviour" because of a feeling in their hearts, but in my opinion, this is very often or even mostly a question of your education and your environment.
Such an education or environment could also be completely different in different times and in different cultures.
Even in our democratic societies, there were some "experiments" which showed you how easy it is for many, many people to cross some of these lines:
Milgram experiment - Wikipedia
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We Germans were somehow "historically really lucky" to be defeated because of our cruel history because it prevented us - up to now - from repeating historical mistakes which occurred later in other countries and which are happening right now again.
In 1989, the situation in the former communist GDR / DDR could have become similar bloody as in China with the massacre on the Tian-An-Men-Square but somehow, the East-German demonstrators and the policemen and soldiers on the other side there managed most things well.
Although the GDR - state authorities were indoctrinated by communists and their theories, they decided not to shoot on their own people and usually did nothing towards the demonstrators. Hundred-thousands of demonstrators shouted "We are the people!" and by German-communist definition, the police and the soldiers were the "people's police" (Volkspolizei) and the "national people's army" (Nationale Volksarmee). How then could you ever shoot at peaceful people shouting in your own language "We are the people!" ?
Additionally, deep inside, they all also knew the brutality of the history of German Nazism and how it started and where it was leading.
In other countries without such a "national historical shame", the state authorities never had and still do not have any problems to tell their policemen or soldiers: "Go out, shoot and kill the demonstrators!" You could see this in China on the Tian-An-Men-Square in 1989 and you can see this today in Burma/ Myanmar.
Unfortunately, I think, there is no real limit to human cruelties when you have a "criminal state environment" which tells you right from your first day in school that there are "inhuman" criminals on the other side and you must fight against them until one of you is dead.
Right now, the situation at the borders of two states at the Eastern end of Europe makes me shiver again because there are new troops stationed "en masse" and there are really brothers from the same family fighting with heavy arms against each other. One side calls the other "Nazis" and vice versa, the other side calls the one side "Stalinists".
Both do not really regard the other side as still being "human", because simply the use of words of "Nazis" and "Stalinists" in these states exclude their enemies to be still human, seen from the other side.
And this is probably the easiest way how to start cruelties between us "human beings": Describe your possible future enemy as not being human any more and you can torture and kill him much easier than before when you were still regarding him as being "human".
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doe1971
Tribune
We derailed entirely this topic but I have only a few things to add. Any one of us, regardless of enviroment, culture and level of education would make a docile Auschwitz guard IN THE PROPER SETTING. Me, you, the rest. The exceptions, the heroes are very few if any. The ones that accepted to be shot for insubordination rather than guarding the ovens.
As for the German oikophobia (one's hate of his own culture, as regretted Scruton word it) you need to move outside the frame to get a decent bird eye view. Or let foreigners worry about what went wrong before WW2. It's a lot more complicated.
Read Hannah Arendt 'The banality of evil; inspired by the trial of Eichmann after the war. You'd probably get a grip of how a civilized country like Germany could slide into the madness of Nazism. Hint: it's nothing Earth-shattering, just small incremental things.
As for the German oikophobia (one's hate of his own culture, as regretted Scruton word it) you need to move outside the frame to get a decent bird eye view. Or let foreigners worry about what went wrong before WW2. It's a lot more complicated.
Read Hannah Arendt 'The banality of evil; inspired by the trial of Eichmann after the war. You'd probably get a grip of how a civilized country like Germany could slide into the madness of Nazism. Hint: it's nothing Earth-shattering, just small incremental things.
quanter
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A very old black and white comic! The title is "Inquisition days"!
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geolier
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geolier
Tribune
...same as above.
I also found some but photos
It was a duplication. I moved the content in the already exist thread.I think the cruel ladies need a place of their own, because they are soooo 'inspiring'.
(I hope this thread isn't a duplication. If it is, I couldn't find it.)
All of these images are from my unknown artist files. Id you them if you can.
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Thank you