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Hello! Im very interested in the assymmetrical ways to secure the victims to the cross (specially males)
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I feel it more realistic. I dont think the soldiers care too much about aesthetic while they struggled to hold the condemned, and even more when was about massive executions.

But that akward hold to the patibulum would really affect the time of agony? Or is all about the feet support?
 
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To my knowledge from all the historical evidence available that I have have been able to research, it appears that the victim of Roman crucifixion was either bound or nailed to a T-shaped cross that was approximately six feet high. The average Mediterranean during the Roman era was not much taller than 5 feet, so I imagine that if nails were used to secure the feet that they were driven through the heel area with the knees bent at an angle which would also allow an extremely painful process of pushing up on the nailed feet to both relieve the pressure on the shoulders and arms that were nailed through a bone in the wrists and much later in the process to allow breathing out from lungs that were being filled with liquid. It makes sense that the stake was a permanent fixed upright and that the patibulum which was carried by the victim was capable of being secured, perhaps by a keyway, after the wrists were nailed while the victim laid stationary on the ground, and used again. It would not be difficult to imagine that two strong soldiers, one on each end of the crossbeam could lift the victim, perhaps even assisted by a third positioned behind the upright, up and over a protrusion that matched the keyway on the patibulum and let gravity take over. A cornu which I have heard described as a bull's horn was sometimes used as a sedile or seat, but I think, perhaps, as more of an added torture and humiliation than to provide any amount of comfort. "Messy" and no doubt an excruciatingly painful and lenthy way to meet one's demise, but that was the general idea, I imagine.
 
Hello! Im very interested in the assymmetrical ways to secure the victims to the cross (specially males)
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I feel it more realistic. I dont think the soldiers care too much about aesthetic while they struggled to hold the condemned, and even more when was about massive executions.

But that akward hold to the patibulum would really affect the time of agony? Or is all about the feet support?
I've certainly seen a few asymmetric, slanting and otherwise 'awkward' crucifixions,
and rather more where the victim is nailed in an unbalanced pose on a normal cross-
e.g. one leg up, one down -
among the manips posted on the Forums, but not easy to find them -
hopefully some of our artists will remember if they've done any.

I would think the experience would be , if anything, worse than hanging
in a balanced pose, the muscles and joints taking most of my weight
would be in double agony, the fact that other parts of me are less tormented
probably wouldn't help much!
 
To my knowledge from all the historical evidence available that I have have been able to research, it appears that the victim of Roman crucifixion was either bound or nailed to a T-shaped cross that was approximately six feet high. The average Mediterranean during the Roman era was not much taller than 5 feet, so I imagine that if nails were used to secure the feet that they were driven through the heel area with the knees bent at an angle which would also allow an extremely painful process of pushing up on the nailed feet to both relieve the pressure on the shoulders and arms that were nailed through a bone in the wrists and much later in the process to allow breathing out from lungs that were being filled with liquid. It makes sense that the stake was a permanent fixed upright and that the patibulum which was carried by the victim was capable of being secured, perhaps by a keyway, after the wrists were nailed while the victim laid stationary on the ground, and used again. It would not be difficult to imagine that two strong soldiers, one on each end of the crossbeam could lift the victim, perhaps even assisted by a third positioned behind the upright, up and over a protrusion that matched the keyway on the patibulum and let gravity take over. A cornu which I have heard described as a bull's horn was sometimes used as a sedile or seat, but I think, perhaps, as more of an added torture and humiliation than to provide any amount of comfort. "Messy" and no doubt an excruciatingly painful and lenthy way to meet one's demise, but that was the general idea, I imagine.

Felonious, I’ve often said that many people who hang out here have researched Roman crucifixion far more than is necessary or wise or sane. Dude, welcome aboard!

Anyway, one of those people is Yusebby, who back in the early 2000’s touched on a number of points you make above, inlcluding the pushing up on the nails to breath. I’m not sure, but I think he coined "the dance" as a crux expression.
 

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Felonious, I’ve often said that many people who hang out here have researched Roman crucifixion far more than is necessary or wise or sane. Dude, welcome aboard!

Anyway, one of those people is Yusebby, who back in the early 2000’s touched on a number of points you make above, inlcluding the pushing up on the nails to breath. I’m not sure, but I think he coined "the dance" as a crux expression.
Screw it... Just nail them up and hope they take a few days to die!

Actually, I do believe a crucifixion execution would be a messy way to die. The human body is not designed to hang nailed to cross for prolonged periods. There would be blood loss and broken bones that exasperates the suffering while the will to live fights the need to die. Basic bodily functions cannot be controlled and waste taints the condemn's lower extremities while purges of the stomach paints the belly of the crucified subject...

Yes... this could be a story...
 
Once the Cruxgirls are up
Who cares when they come down
That’s not my department
says Tree with a frown


(Apologies to Tom Lehrer)

You get to apologize to him, at 90 he's with us still. He'll probably accept.

Me, I’ll have to think about it . . .
 

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Is he really 90? Wow. I used to listen to his songs on my dad’s old vinyl records. I suppose he would be that age now. Great songs!!!!

All available online, do a video search for "tom lehrer." Terabytes of his stuff out there.

Those records are still good if you didn't toss them!!!

Ours are. We bought a special turntable from Sharper Image shortly before they died, and with it transferred a middling colossal LP collection to CD.
 
I’ll shall now try to get this thread back on track.

Fiddlesticks, Felonious, one of the guys around here seriously into crux is our resident engineer Jedakk. Here’s how he had Sabina in "The Serpent's Eye" nailed and raised.
 

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Pound in the cornu, nail her feet, remove the ropes, all done.

Quintus Caelius Balbus has an experienced crew.
 

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Felonious, I’ve often said that many people who hang out here have researched Roman crucifixion far more than is necessary or wise or sane. Dude, welcome aboard!

Anyway, one of those people is Yusebby, who back in the early 2000’s touched on a number of points you make above, inlcluding the pushing up on the nails to breath. I’m not sure, but I think he coined "the dance" as a crux expression.

I would agree with what you say, Apostate. I for one have taken a much more historical view of my fascination in this area originating, no doubt, by my early captivity in front of a life size half naked religious icon during my Catholic school years and a vivid imagination. I just could not reconcile that the figure represented on the statuary could be as symmetrical in reality as the artistic model, which piqued my interest and began my research. I do not have any misconceptions that an ancient crucifixion would have been anywhere as erotic as the kind originated by the talented and imaginative members of this community.
 
A very accurate representation, as I would imagine it, Apostate.

Me too. ;)

Further, most of us raised in what they used to call Christendom visualize crucifixions taking place on utility poles. I find it more likely that stipes were so short that the condemned were often on eye level with their tormentors.
 

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I for one have taken a much more historical view of my fascination in this area originating, no doubt, by my early captivity in front of a life size half naked religious icon during my Catholic school years and a vivid imagination.

You too???

Around ‘05 I took a digital show of hands about which people who hang on CF started out Catholic. I may use the poll feature and start another one. I’ve always thought it no surprise that those raised in a faith whose central devotional image is a mostly naked, vaguely effeminate white guy nailed to a cross would develop a fetish for interest in erotic crucifixion, aka crux.

The entirely naked white girl below woke me up to his kink when I was well into middle age. And after all these years, :very_hot:
 

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You didn’t have to be Catholic. I was raised Protestant. Same result.

You’d have gotten a head start on this kink sitting in a parochial school classroom looking at this for your first 9 grades.

Trust me. ;)
 

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