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Any African-american Women Crucified?

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Wragg134 said:
That was nicely done, from a standing start, Hasturan! :)

Here are a few more Strix pix

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These Strix drawings are excellent. They must take hours, if not days, to complete to this standard of finish, even without background detail. I have previously commented about the lack of ethnic variety in my own victims, although I now have an Asian and an Oriental example. Must do some more drawings, it's been too long since my last one!
 
jedakk said:
Wow, nice crosses they built for those girls! Fancy woodwork, metal fittings, they might be dying slowly in agony, but they have to be pleased with the esthetics at least.
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Hi Jedakk. First of all may I thank and congratulate you on 'The Serpents Eye', which is in all respects a magnificent achievement and must have taken months of dedicated work and research. I think many of us have a sort of trademark style of cross which appears in our illustrations. Hasturan's cross is instantly recognisable - if I see one in a picture, I know immediately that it is his. My own are invariably crude and convenient - a round stake with a forked top to accept a half-round split log patibulum- simple and convenient to make and re-use interchangeably without the need for skilled carpentry. They're not pretty, but they're not meant to be! Meanwhile I am contemplating the introduction of sediles, which might require joinery. Perhaps I should start a directory of identifiable trademark features of different crux artists, as I'm going a bit off topic on this excellent thread. Regards, B
 
Eulalia said:
From Winkler + Noah Les Femmes Hérètiques, pretty easy to find on the net,
though not now, it seems, on W + N own website.
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A very beautiful series, albeit with only a solitary token black girl. I believe they were produced initially for an exhibition in Milan to protest against the impossibly anorexic standards expected of young female fashion models (very brave, considering the proximity of the Vatican!)
 
bobinder said:
Hi Jedakk. First of all may I thank and congratulate you on 'The Serpents Eye', which is in all respects a magnificent achievement and must have taken months of dedicated work and research. I think many of us have a sort of trademark style of cross which appears in our illustrations. Hasturan's cross is instantly recognisable - if I see one in a picture, I know immediately that it is his. My own are invariably crude and convenient - a round stake with a forked top to accept a half-round split log patibulum- simple and convenient to make and re-use interchangeably without the need for skilled carpentry. They're not pretty, but they're not meant to be! Meanwhile I am contemplating the introduction of sediles, which might require joinery. Perhaps I should start a directory of identifiable trademark features of different crux artists, as I'm going a bit off topic on this excellent thread. Regards, B
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Thanks! That cross I use is based on a very old one I made back about 15 years ago. About six years ago I made a rounded stipes because I decided that it was unreasonable to expect that Romans would have gone to the trouble to square off the timbers for their crosses. The other consideration was that a rounded stipes would make the victim's knees point a bit outward so she'd be more exposed. That's the one that is used in the illustrations for "The Serpent's Eye."

My crosses actually are two pieces so I can take them apart, have the victim carry the patibulum, show them being lifted into place and the patibulum hung on top of the stipes, etc. I really need to model some new crosses so I don't end up using the same one all the time.
 
jedakk said:
Thanks! That cross I use is based on a very old one I made back about 15 years ago. About six years ago I made a rounded stipes because I decided that it was unreasonable to expect that Romans would have gone to the trouble to square off the timbers for their crosses. The other consideration was that a rounded stipes would make the victim's knees point a bit outward so she'd be more exposed. That's the one that is used in the illustrations for "The Serpent's Eye."

My crosses actually are two pieces so I can take them apart, have the victim carry the patibulum, show them being lifted into place and the patibulum hung on top of the stipes, etc. I really need to model some new crosses so I don't end up using the same one all the time.
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The Serpents Eye crosses were heavily re-used, which was good to see, as I had already begun to put old bloodstains from previous victims on my patibulae and I realised that other artists were thinking the same way. Perhaps the detachable mortice and tennon cross is your trademark? - but please feel free to experiment. At some point I might try X-shaped ones, although a double patibulum on a single stake is probably simpler for spread-eagling!
 
bobinder said:
The Serpents Eye crosses were heavily re-used, which was good to see, as I had already begun to put old bloodstains from previous victims on my patibulae and I realised that other artists were thinking the same way. Perhaps the detachable mortice and tennon cross is your trademark? - but please feel free to experiment. At some point I might try X-shaped ones, although a double patibulum on a single stake is probably simpler for spread-eagling!
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I used an X-shaped cross mounted on an upright post back in the 1990s when I first started doing Poser scenes and I resurrected one of those and put a better-looking texture on it for Lucilla's cross in "The Serpent's Eye." That one doesn't come apart, but my original thinking was that the two crossarms would fit together to form a mortise that would slide over the top of the post. The most practical way to crucify a victim on it would still be to assemble the whole thing on the ground and lift the cross and victim together.

So I don't know that I'll have a trademark cross that I will always use. I'd rather have a variety and be more like reality must have been.
 
Here's one of my X-shaped crosses from 2000:

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And here's the same X-shaped cross from 2015 with a different texture on its surface:

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Times and technology change, but some of the old 3D models are still useful
 

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jedakk said:
I used an X-shaped cross mounted on an upright post back in the 1990s when I first started doing Poser scenes and I resurrected one of those and put a better-looking texture on it for Lucilla's cross in "The Serpent's Eye." That one doesn't come apart, but my original thinking was that the two crossarms would fit together to form a mortise that would slide over the top of the post. The most practical way to crucify a victim on it would still be to assemble the whole thing on the ground and lift the cross and victim together.

So I don't know that I'll have a trademark cross that I will always use. I'd rather have a variety and be more like reality must have been.
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Fair comment, it's about development. Interesting that you resurrected the cross (but not the body...) Regards, B
 
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