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The end of Chapter IV; Chapter V is going to be Delia's crucifixion per se.Is that "The End"?
The end of Chapter IV; Chapter V is going to be Delia's crucifixion per se.Is that "The End"?
Thank you for this information.The end of Chapter IV; Chapter V is going to be Delia's crucifixion per se.
That calls to memory one of Jedakk's subplots...She was crucified nine times with ropes, I think, and only then with nails.
it gives background, they have things to talk about, looking for ways to advance... they keep on with their business, aren't totally absorbed by the spectacle when it's just the march, their attention will return fully at a later stage...Lots of talk here, but I hope it does a little more than being just the author showing off
Oh! what more does a girl have to do, or rather have done to her, to be remembered?the details of Lucilla's case were for the most part forgotten.
Quite so.it gives background, they have things to talk about, looking for ways to advance... they keep on with their business, aren't totally absorbed by the spectacle when it's just the march, their attention will return fully at a later stage...
Circa AD 100? A girl has to get herself involved in court intrigues, I suppose.Oh! what more does a girl have to do, or rather have done to her, to be remembered?
... of course most of those fail miserably and end on the cross - I think a few incarnations of mine must have tried that... at least that is a possible interpretation of certain recurring dreamsA girl has to get herself involved in court intrigues
Hmm... I'm toying with a couple of story ideas involving the 2nd century Roman court; if Delia was involuntarily put on her via crucis by a paroxysm of seeking enemies everywhere -- invented for the purposes of plot, certainly, but, given that we know almost nothing about the end of Lusius, Nigrinus, Palma, and Celsus, common people might have gone unnoticed -- other people might consciously rush headlong into the maelstrom of intrigue. I'm not big on the 'innocent maiden' scenario, that I admit, although I have sketched the beginnings of a story about two mostly innocent (although far from maidenly) slave-girls who get in legal trouble.... of course most of those fail miserably and end on the cross - I think a few incarnations of mine must have tried that... at least that is a possible interpretation of certain recurring dreams
well you can be legally and factually guilty ... but still feel innocent in your own arrogant heart -- that's the tale of unregenerate rebels and runaways, and unrepentant traitors who believe they're doing the nation a service by deposing supposedly incompetent emperors (if they succeed, of course, they're no longer traitors but get to write their version of history...)I'm not big on the 'innocent maiden' scenario,
Speaking of innocence: I've meant the straight-up 'maiden grabbed by the Romans, maltreated and nailed' story. It can be done very well and I can enjoy reading one, it's just that I don't think I can write a passable tale along these lines.well you can be legally and factually guilty ... but still feel innocent in your own arrogant heart -- that's the tale of unregenerate rebels and runaways, and unrepentant traitors who believe they're doing the nation a service by deposing supposedly incompetent emperors (if they succeed, of course, they're no longer traitors but get to write their version of history...)
In my fantasies I sometimes go through intricate convolutions to ensure that the crucifier is actually a good guy
Oh, probably he doesn't really need... theory to justify that to other men of Rome.which doesn't stop him from slaking his lust on her -- if asked, he perhaps would've spun a theory that she belongs to Rome and he, a representative of the Roman Senate and People, could do to her whatever
Ahum.Crucifier as a good guy... The one with the hammer, the one to set everything up, or the one to pass the sentence?
There'll be someone who cuts through my web of conspiracies, exposes my falsehoods, and collects the incontrovertible evidence that condemns me to the cross.the one to set everything up
A connoisseur of a quality crucifixion! You escalate crucifixion to the level of fine wine, Malins!Oh, probably he doesn't really need... theory to justify that to other men of Rome.
If so, ... the People have delegated certain... powers.... to their representatives, and that's enough.
Ahum.
Now you venture away from historical fiction that's well-founded in knowledge and research, into the miasmatic fairy-world of my fantasies.
That's a quagmire.
'Intricate convolutions' is just to say 'really really embarassingly silly'
Courtroom procedures don't really get me all wet.
In the end, it's the man with the proper equipment,
who does all the pounding and nailing me,
who matters most.
And it's a bit sad if that's going to be a dull-witted tool just going through the motions.
And yes, my crucifixion ought to be not dismally sad, but ecstatically frenziful.
And also yes I do tend to being that arrogant and haughty person who believes she deserves something better
That's what gets me into all that trouble.
If I knew my place in life, ... then my place wouldn't be the cross!
Why should that very special person to do that to me, be someone from the lowest rung, who just carries out commands, the kind of person who grunts, "I don't make the laws, I just enforce them!"
This event is going to be the punchline to the story of my life,
and I don't want it to be something where you just groan.
It has to be... stylish, somehow.
There'll be someone who cuts through my web of conspiracies, exposes my falsehoods, and collects the incontrovertible evidence that condemns me to the cross.
That's "the one to set everything up" and that one is going to be smart.
I'll be negotiating from the most precarious position imaginable - knowing he has everything in hand to have me crucified and I can't do a thing about it - but the goal of my bargaining would be to get him to bypass the normal procedures of justice and crucify me himself.
It's a bargain for both sides, for him -- if he just passes me on to the judicial apparatus he will only be an onlooker, this way he gets to harvest and enjoy in full the fruits of his endeavors.
For me -- I escape the dull-witted grunt.
Possibly my family escapes the humiliation of the walk of shame to the cross of their daughter.
It'll be a challenge to seduce him into this but once I realize the amount of incriminating evidence he has collected and the inescapable finality of my situation, I'll concentrate all my scheming on that.
And yes, I will come up with a convincing plot that doesn't put him in any danger of appearing to obstruct justice.
This will lead to the very interesting conversation where I explain to him how exactly he's going to go along with some complex scheme I devised while lying awake nights without end, -- in order for him to crucify me for his unlimited private enjoyment without him being unduly implicated.
Obviously he's going to be smart and creative enough to further bend my plan to serve not only his lusts but also some other devices of his.
(There have to be surprises)
Where was I again? Silly fantasies
He doesn't need one, that's true.Oh, probably he doesn't really need... theory to justify that to other men of Rome.
If so, ... the People have delegated certain... powers.... to their representatives, and that's enough.
Why, the world of your fantasies is a great place to be (or, er, to observe)! It's fascinating in its own way, the way of passion and talent and intricacies and did I mention talent?Ahum.
Now you venture away from historical fiction that's well-founded in knowledge and research, into the miasmatic fairy-world of my fantasies.
That's a quagmire.
'Intricate convolutions' is just to say 'really really embarassingly silly'
In the end, it's the man with the proper equipment,
who does all the pounding and nailing me,
who matters most.
Especially when it's the one who's supposed to catapult you into the next life...In this life it is important to find a good craftsman, a man with "the proper equipment", to deal with the important things.