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Juan1234 said:
Of course I could see a starving actress going through with it for the money, looking for her big break.
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I remember an interview with this particular Spartacus actress (Laura Surrich), where she said she regretted taking this role because it killed her career. Looking at her IMDB, it appears she was right.

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In the reverse situation, Rachel Sterling danced in strip clubs and did some softcore porn before trying to get into acting. She almost got scratched from being cast as the dancer/courtesan Assia in the otherwise forgettable “A Man Apart” because a producer recognized her. Luckily the casting director went to bat for her, and she ended up producing one of the most sultry performances I’ve ever seen in a mainstream movie (especially the full, deleted scene!)
 
Apostate said:
Ideally, yes. :rolleyes:
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Aedile said:
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I remember an interview with this particular Spartacus actress (Laura Surrich), where she said she regretted taking this role because it killed her career. Looking at her IMDB, it appears she was right.

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In the reverse situation, Rachel Sterling danced in strip clubs and did some softcore porn before trying to get into acting. She almost got scratched from being cast as the dancer/courtesan Assia in the otherwise forgettable “A Man Apart” because a producer recognized her. Luckily the casting director went to bat for her, and she ended up producing one of the most sultry performances I’ve ever seen in a mainstream movie (especially the full, deleted scene!)
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Baracus said:
I'm with @Apostate .... ;)
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Juan1234 said:
Does anybody else ever imagine the cinematic details of how a really good movie scene might go, depicting a “realistic” female crucifixion?
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Nope, the thought never crossed my mind.
Just kidding!!!!
Nice description Juan.

My daughter has studied film making, I'm not going to ask her opinion though. (btw, why have they broken the smilies on this forum??)

Juan1234 said:
That’s right... As a guy, it’s hard for me to imagine an actress being comfortable getting naked and lying on a cross for a bunch of guys to pretend to abuse her and nail her to it. Of course I could see a starving actress going through with it for the money, looking for her big break. That kind of thing has happened countless times. But being COMFORTABLE with it...? I’ll just have to take your word for it! :)
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Some would do it, whether for art or for money or for notoriety. I suspect you would find candidates easily enough.

Barbaria1 said:
Although, they never did nudity for the crux scenes in that series, did they?
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They did, but male only, not female :(
 
Juan1234 said:
Ok - so that was sort of stream-of-consciousness - what do you think?? :confused:
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Good work! I try to imagine the scenes!:cool:


Visualisation is Always important in story writing too.

We have some good exemples of female crucifixion, like in Xena and Lisa Enos' crucifixion in Snuff Movie!

This scene described here by Juan could as well be the beginning of a movie! It could spell the terror, the lead character awaits later in the film story!

Juan1234 said:
We’re coming off of a huge and devastating orchestral swell of doom as the magistrate pronounced the sentence.
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Ennio Morricone? Miklos Rosza? Basil Polidouris? John Williams?;)

Juan1234 said:
As a guy, it’s hard for me to imagine an actress being comfortable getting naked and lying on a cross for a bunch of guys to pretend to abuse her and nail her to it. Of course I could see a starving actress going through with it for the money, looking for her big break. That kind of thing has happened countless times. But being COMFORTABLE with it.
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There are filming techniques, such as body doubles (for the shots without showing the actress's face, or putting her face over the body double's in post-production, or the actress wearing a body.


And some basics of film shots : :deal:

Shot (filmmaking) - Wikipedia

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Baracus said:
Anyone willing to audition the role of Cruxee ?? ;)
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Maybe they are looking for crucified male extras, Baracus!
 
Loxuru said:
Good work! I try to imagine the scenes!:cool:


Visualisation is Always important in story writing too.

We have some good exemples of female crucifixion, like in Xena and Lisa Enos' crucifixion in Snuff Movie!

This scene described here by Juan could as well be the beginning of a movie! It could spell the terror, the lead character awaits later in the film story!


Ennio Morricone? Miklos Rosza? Basil Polidouris? John Williams?;)


There are filming techniques, such as body doubles (for the shots without showing the actress's face, or putting her face over the body double's in post-production, or the actress wearing a body.


And some basics of film shots : :deal:

Shot (filmmaking) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Maybe they are looking for crucified male extras, Baracus!
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This skinny rat is not worth an ounce of celluloid. ;) ;)
Knowing my luck,I'd be one of the extras,in a mass crucifixion, but right at the back,viewed from behind,only visible for one fraction of a second....lol
 
Baracus said:
Knowing my luck,I'd be one of the extras,in a mass crucifixion, but right at the back,viewed from behind,only visible for one fraction of a second....lol
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That's what I had in mind, to make the scene even more dramatic!

Or a shot with the extras in the background!

But remember, for this fractions of a second in the movie, on the set, all the extras must hang to their cross for one or two hours!
 
Loxuru said:
That's what I had in mind, to make the scene even more dramatic!

Or a shot with the extras in the background!

But remember, for this fractions of a second in the movie, on the set, all the extras must hang to their cross for one or two hours!
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Ooh,now you're talking !! lol
Loxuru said:
That's what I had in mind, to make the scene even more dramatic!

Or a shot with the extras in the background!

But remember, for this fractions of a second in the movie, on the set, all the extras must hang to their cross for one or two hours!
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Juan1234 said:
Any artists want to try a story board? :) (Sorry, I know it’s bold of me to ask, but I can’t help it.)
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It's not far from Alice Barabbas, to be sure, though the raising scenes are different

Alice Barabbas

"Behold the Man!" Pilate was heartily sick of the Jews and their constant infighting and squabbling. They had brought him this man, Jesus, a Nazarene, but apart from the fact that he was a nutter, Pilate was unable to identify any crime at all, let alone one worthy of death. He addressed...
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Aedile said:
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I remember an interview with this particular Spartacus actress (Laura Surrich), where she said she regretted taking this role because it killed her career. Looking at her IMDB, it appears she was right.

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In the reverse situation, Rachel Sterling danced in strip clubs and did some softcore porn before trying to get into acting. She almost got scratched from being cast as the dancer/courtesan Assia in the otherwise forgettable “A Man Apart” because a producer recognized her. Luckily the casting director went to bat for her, and she ended up producing one of the most sultry performances I’ve ever seen in a mainstream movie (especially the full, deleted scene!)
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This is an interesting question. Supposedly Mel Gibson told James Caviezel that he would probably never make another movie after "The Passion of the Christ", but it appears that he has. Willem Dafoe (who was naked in "The Last Temptation of Christ") certainly has made more movies. I guess there are a couple of issues. (a) The role sticks with you. In everything else you make, people say "Oh, that's the guy who played Jesus" and you can never be credible in another role. That happens to people who have a long-running TV series sometimes. Most people recognize you and cannot get beyond your prior role. (b) The movie is so controversial and so widely debated (as a movie featuring a female Jesus, naked or not, would be) that no studio is every going to put you in another film and risk having it flop. "The Last Temptation of Christ" was indeed controversial, but a lot of the squawkers didn't see it, so they probably don't associate Dafoe with it, and it didn't hurt his career. A female lead, especially one without a lot of prior credits, probably wouldn't be so lucky.
It's sexism, in part rooted in biology.
 
Aedile said:
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I remember an interview with this particular Spartacus actress (Laura Surrich), where she said she regretted taking this role because it killed her career. Looking at her IMDB, it appears she was right.

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In the reverse situation, Rachel Sterling danced in strip clubs and did some softcore porn before trying to get into acting. She almost got scratched from being cast as the dancer/courtesan Assia in the otherwise forgettable “A Man Apart” because a producer recognized her. Luckily the casting director went to bat for her, and she ended up producing one of the most sultry performances I’ve ever seen in a mainstream movie (especially the full, deleted scene!)
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It is said that an actor (actress) draws on personal experience for their roles. Strip clubs and porn experience gave her a definite advantage to bring realism to her role. Being naturally sensuous is no substitute for actual experience
 
Frank Petrexa said:
This is an interesting question. Supposedly Mel Gibson told James Caviezel that he would probably never make another movie after "The Passion of the Christ", but it appears that he has. Willem Dafoe (who was naked in "The Last Temptation of Christ") certainly has made more movies. I guess there are a couple of issues. (a) The role sticks with you. In everything else you make, people say "Oh, that's the guy who played Jesus" and you can never be credible in another role. That happens to people who have a long-running TV series sometimes. Most people recognize you and cannot get beyond your prior role. (b) The movie is so controversial and so widely debated (as a movie featuring a female Jesus, naked or not, would be) that no studio is every going to put you in another film and risk having it flop. "The Last Temptation of Christ" was indeed controversial, but a lot of the squawkers didn't see it, so they probably don't associate Dafoe with it, and it didn't hurt his career. A female lead, especially one without a lot of prior credits, probably wouldn't be so lucky.
It's sexism, in part rooted in biology.
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Probably doesn’t change much, but I don’t envision a scene like this having anything to do with Jesus. Showing a female nude crucifixion would be controversial enough without saying she’s a female Jesus, I would think! Talk about controversy! :)

I just think of it as a woman who, for inescapable plot reasons, has to be subjected to this historical form of execution. As I’ve said on other threads, to have any chance of being produced, a scene like this would have to have solid story and history justification, so it doesn’t look like it’s JUST for the sake of controversy, or worse, just for titillation of our baser instincts.

The main controversial things would be that she’s a woman, that she’s naked, and that the method is so gruesome. The story must demand that the character be a woman, for reasons unrelated to her crime or punishment. A combination of the story and historical research must demand that she go to the cross, and not simply be beheaded or strangled or something. And then the nudity can be justified as honesty - not shrinking from the grim reality of the time.

But having to explain why Jesus is a woman, in addition to all the above, goes too far, I think. :)
 
Frank Petrexa said:
A female lead, especially one without a lot of prior credits, probably wouldn't be so lucky.
It's sexism, in part rooted in biology.
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cynthia the inocent said:
It is said that an actor (actress) draws on personal experience for their roles. Strip clubs and porn experience gave her a definite advantage to bring realism to her role. Being naturally sensuous is no substitute for actual experience
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That’s why the casting director put her foot down. “Hey, you told me to find a 11/10 who looks exotic and can dance a little bit. Here she is; I won’t find you another one!”
 
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