a dutch saying is zeg nooit nooit i don't know the english counterpart but..............perhaps we will look there on the pole what we can doMe all i can do is dream, but i would love to be strapped naked to a spanking horse and when Big Ben starts to chime at midnight caned really hard on my bare bum in time with the chimes , my screams would never be heard because of all the fireworks going off, but the chance of that happening is like waiting for a heat wave at the north pole