Whatever the story there, the girl with the snake seems quite happy. The other two seem apprehensive. Better get them both a snake each as well, I expect.
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Zungur
Governor
Thanks for the link. I had missed this one.
In this movie obviously not only archery is crap.
But being specialised in Late Bronze Age eastern Med and Near East every movie about 'Troy' for me is crucifixion, impalement, rack-torture and burning on the stake in one ...
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montycrusto
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I just can’t bear it every time someone draws a sword with that stupid metallic “schwingg” sound.. so dumb..
Never mind the film epics, I'm not sure that the Iliad is a very reliable guide to Late Bronze Age military science?
Zungur
Governor
I really shouldn't take the bait, no, I really shouldn't ...
If ... and that's a BIG if, the Iliad refers to events that really happened in Late Bronze Age, naturally the people in Archaic time, when the story was written down, could not know anything about the ways to make war, because there are more than 400 years in between and this in a society that did not write and the knowlegde of history depended only on the memory of the oldest living members.
Now just imagine what the average guy you meet on the street knows about 16th century cavalry tactics and you get an impression what Homeros and his contemporaries knew about Bronze Age chariot-, siege-, naval-, infantry-tactics.
And our average guy has some history ecucation in school and libraries all around.
willowfall
Senator
Very nice but this thread is about the sensual side of the harem, not the BDSM side.
These really belong in another thread.
Kisses
willowfall
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Ah true!. But it is a timeless guide to the ultimate warrior culture (even if they are just overgrown BOYS, @willowfall ), and any who first read Hector's parting from his wife Andromache and his son Astyanax without a tear in the eye, has no heart.
Zungur
Governor
Yeah well.
It might be a piece of art. It was the 'moral guide' about what to do whet not to do for Archaic times. It is a fantasy story.
But it never was history.
I don't see any contrdiction there. This goes for all of the epics and mythologies, told, written or filmed, from Ramayana to Nibelungenlied or John Wayne's "Alamo" movie.
willowfall
Senator
I think some Greeks who may have not had any sympathy for Hector. Unfortunately Hector is the tragic hero in the Iliad as he had to clean up Paris' mess.
I might disagree here a little with Zungar, certainly the Iliad is not history in the modern sense but oral traditions often contain a kernel of fact(s) at their base. Hector undoubtedly said something to his wife and son on his way out the door as modern soldiers do to their family.
For a long time Troy itself was considered a myth until Schliemann proved otherwise. There is no reason to assume they did not have a champion named Hector and there is no reason to assume that the champions didn't meet in mortal combat and Troy's champion lost.
But think of how many modern myths we choose to accept as "history" when they are not supported by the facts.
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willowfall
Zungur
Governor
The story that 'Troy was a myth' itself is a myth mostly spread by Schliemann. In fact, during most of history it was pretty el known where the place was. Just nobody bothered (reminds me of fancy natural sciences like genetics, answering questions that nobody ever asked, because the answer is long known or irrelevant, but is a cute means to secure funding).
It is also possible that there once was a wolf hiding in a granny's bed, when a girl with a red hood came to visit.
It is possible, but it is highly unlikely, just as it is highly unlikel that a Bronze Age 'prince' of Wilusa had a Greek name or that he would have fought as a 'champion', because all that we actually know about Bronze Age warfare is about considerable bodies of troops maneouvring, and not about 'duels' of single heros, that a backward culture, that could not muster larger numbers of soldiers, 450 years later thought appropriate.
willowfall
Senator
The Tel which was excavated was widely known to exist and be ancient. That it was Troy was not so don't leave out all the facts.
Oh for heaven sake now you are nitpicking. It is widely known that story is a fairy tale and was never portrayed as anything else. That is a really bad example of a strawman argument. And of by the way "Mark Anthony" is not his real name. How often do you (or ANYONE) refer to him by his true Latin name?
And you are Soooooooo wrong about early Bronze Age warfare. Champion duels were nothing out of the ordinary and just as in the Middle Ages didn't preclude battles being settled by the armies. The existence of both simultaneously negates neither.
And "Princes" held on to being a prince by being in the middle of the action and archeology\history is FULL of stories of Royalty fighting along side the grunts. Because you weren't there there is no way for you to make a declarative statement that it didn't happen the way it is related through oral and written tradition.
It is of course very true that the deeds of ancient Royalty and heros was enhanced and manipulated (as it is today) by writers both at the time and in subsequent writings. And since very little documentation is extant that later writers used to relate their version of the story there is no way to fact check writer "A" v "B" or to check the "facts" either.
In essence you decided it didn't happen the way it is passed down because you want to believe it did happened but you have no conclusive facts to say otherwise, just your (and other's) opinions. And YES my opinion carries no more weight than your's does but I am NOT the one making declarative statements .
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willowfall
Zungur
Governor
"That it was Troy was not so don't leave out all the facts."
I don't. It was known most of the times. In Hellenistic and Roman time there were even tour guides there. It was also known in otoman times.
"early Bronze Age warfare"
Nobody spoke about early Bronze Age warfare (about which we know basically nothing at all), but Late Bronze Age, and I'm not wrong. Be sure, the little that is known about it I learned quite well during 40 years of studying, researching and doing excavations.
Since I'm German I never would call the guy other than 'Marcus Antonius'.
Archaeology cannot be full of any such stories, because with archaeological methds you simply can't deterct them.
The Middle Ages are the Middle Ages and there is no reason why anything done there should be likewise done in other, very distant periods.
You speak about ancient Royalty, but we do not even have the first idea what the concept of 'royalty' meant in prehistoric cultures.
Now this is the scientific view and I'm not going to try to argue against believe, because it is pointless.
Let's just say, you have your view of things and I have mine.
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montycrusto
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My name is montycrusto and I am addicted to Delacroix!
en.wikipedia.org
“Women of Algiers in their apartment “ (1834, Louvre)
“Interior of a Harem in Oran”
(1834, Musée des Beaux-Arts, Rouen)
“Women of Algiers” (1832, watercolour, Louvre)
“Women of Algiers” (1832, watercolour, Louvre)
I absolutely love the style and atmosphere of these, and I’m particularly drawn to the freshness and light touch of the watercolours. There are more like this but these are four good ones..
Hope you like them too.
Eugène Delacroix - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
“Women of Algiers in their apartment “ (1834, Louvre)
“Interior of a Harem in Oran”
(1834, Musée des Beaux-Arts, Rouen)
“Women of Algiers” (1832, watercolour, Louvre)
“Women of Algiers” (1832, watercolour, Louvre)
I absolutely love the style and atmosphere of these, and I’m particularly drawn to the freshness and light touch of the watercolours. There are more like this but these are four good ones..
Hope you like them too.
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Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Not exactly a Harem, but an artistic classic. The dance of the seven veils from the 1923 film version of Oscar Wilde's, Salomé. Great music. Ya gotta love Herod's lustful appreciation!
That's very interesting - as well as exciting to watch, and yes the music's great, Charles Barber - quite new to me.
Richard Strauss's opera had been performed at the Met once, in 1907, but there was enough puritanical pressure from wealthy patrons to prevent it sullying the pure minds of NY audiences again until 1934. So the film was a daring experiment - I've found this https://seenandheard-international....es-exoticism-of-silent-arthouse-movie-salome/
Charles Bryant’s 1923 silent film Salomé is one of the first ‘arthouse’ films to emerge from the USA. It was produced by and stars the flamboyant Russian actress Alla Nazimova whose stated aim was to raise the artistic level of American film. Based on Oscar Wilde’s play and inspired by Aubrey Beardsley’s illustrations, it is a highly stylised piece of cinema, but its extreme eroticism proved far too controversial for audiences of the time and it flopped.
But fortunately it wasn't lost, and Charles Barber was attracted by the idea of composing music for it (not much more than 10 years ago, I gather) - he used only Western and African percussion instruments and traditional rhythmic patterns of Arab music. Much more info on the site I've linked - and there's a couple of other, in some ways even more erotic - extracts in the follow-up videos (even a warning intervention by Angeluc Mortis can't assuage the lust of Salome for Jokanaan!)
Thanks for finding this, PrPr!
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Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Oh, dear Eul,
"I took all those habits of yours
That in the beginning were hard to accept
Your fashion sense, Beardsley prints
I put down to experience"
