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So you are going to whip me then?????? Thank you Melissa, your are a star. I will write out 100 times "I must not muck about with my signature"
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Good evening
A little remark : as in several sites, the upload uses Flash Player
Flash Player is being abandoned by the main browsers
Currently, without Flash Player, uploading is only possible one by one picture
This mechanism for uploading doesn't work in Firefox 64 bits (Flash Player NPAPI 64 bits)
This mechanism should be rewritten in a more modern method
For example, Fa cebook no longer uses it
A little remark : as in several sites, the upload uses Flash Player
Flash Player is being abandoned by the main browsers
Currently, without Flash Player, uploading is only possible one by one picture
This mechanism for uploading doesn't work in Firefox 64 bits (Flash Player NPAPI 64 bits)
This mechanism should be rewritten in a more modern method
For example, Fa cebook no longer uses it
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Agreed 100% - Flash is an obsolete (and highly insecure) technology and needs to die quickly.
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On the contrary ! Don't use obsolete and non-secure versions !! Updating programs is absolutely mandatory
Read this article (German, in English) about Firefox, Flash and NPAPI
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/06/fi...lash-dropped/?_m=3n.0038.1923.ft0ao03xo9.203a
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Yeah that's fine in theory, but unfortunately updates too often break things. I'm on Firefox 47 and I know that if I update to 48 or later, a lot of my extensions will break so that's not an option. It's like the way that Google totally broke the SD card handling in Android when they went from Jellybean to KitKat. On Jellybean I can use ES File Explorer to sync files between my phone and my PC over wifi - KitKat broke that completely and although they've fiddled with a few things in later versions, the fundamental problem remains. I guess Google want us all syncing to their cloud storage rather than our local hard drives, so that they can snoop through all our data - not gonna happen - ever (I don't even have a google account - I use a third-party website to get apps then sideload them over wifi).
Also, the later versions of Android have a hideous GUI - bright white which makes my eyes bleed at night and those fugly flat-look icons that everybody seems to be told they have to fetishise over these days
Not all change is progress, and you can offset security concerns (particularly in the browser) by using it more carefully (don't click on random links, and don't go installing extensions rom dubious sources, for example) Running Linux instead of Windows is a also major help of course, as it's nothing like as vulnerable as Windows. At the last count there were something like 47 different examples of Linux malware (though with the latest OS patches, only 3 or 4 of those still work, and like most Linux malware, they're targetted more at corporate server infrastructure and have very little, if any impact on ordinary users. I think the current list of Windows malware is over 3 million now...
Ten years ago, using Linux demanded a certain level of computer literacy, especially if you wanted to customise your settings, but these days, it's MUCH easier than using Windows - you just install it and in most cases, everything will just work out of the box (especially if you use a fully-loaded version such as Linux Mint which supports most hardware drivers and media codecs out of the box). And of course you can run it off a CD or USB memory stick if you wish, then you don't even need to install anything - great for trying it out, though the performance will obviously be better if it's installed to the hard drive of course).
www.linuxmint.com
If you have fairly modern hardware (in the Linux woorld that means most things less than 8 years old) then the Cinnamon Desktop version would be the best choice - it looks and feels a lot like Windows 7. For older hardware the MATE or XFCE versions might be a better choice, though they're not quite as slick as Cinnamon.
If you're worried about Firefox compatibility issues, you might want to get Linux Mint 17.3 (aka "Rosa") as this ships with an older version of Firefox (though it will still get updates until 2019) rather than the current version (Linux Mint 18, aka "Sara")
I have 17.3 running on my main PC and 18 running on my laptop. Both are great but a few things are broken in the later versions of Firefox
Also, Linux doesn't spy on your every move and report back to HQ the way that Windows 10 does.
No brainer really...
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Updates and Linux... "vaste débat !"...
I lost the very long and detailed message I had written...
I summarise : updates, containing security fixes, for me, are necessary and I think you dont't really need the broken extensions
I don't know Android (I don't have enough experience of it and I don't like tactile)
Linux : I know what is Linux and I currently have Manjaro, the most interesting I found.
It's interesting to know (Linux en general) when you are a specialist or a technician but I wouldn't take the responsability to recommend it to a non-specialist, non professional (or non-geek) person.
I find it unpleasant to use, incomplete... and it is filled of bugs and crashes (and there are malwares too !), Ubuntu family and all others
I hate line-to-line commands and you cannot require it to a non-technician
After having tried a lot of distributions, I finally kept Windows for everyday's use
And sorry, English is a little difficult to me...
PS There are a lot of updates (security or not) in Linux
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You should leave XP, entirely obsolete (in Linux you must change the obsolete versions too)
W7 will be maintained until 2010
The important and necessary extensions are generally available in the last browser updates
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Yes I do - in particular Videodownloadhelper, YoutubeDL, Youtube-MP3, DownThemAll, Flashgot, Ghostery, Adblock Plus, HTTPS Everywhere, JS Switch (that one replaces functionality that used to be in FF by default but was then broken by an update), Privacy Badger, Youtube Unblocker and so on...
I do need those, just as I need the wifi sync on Android. It's no good having all the latest updates if the system won't do what you need it to do afterwards.
As for Windows - too many people I know were happy using Windows 7 until they got force-updated to Windows 10. Now they have a crappy, bloated OS that spies on their every keystroke (those that haven't had the sense to switch to Linux of course)
On those increasingly rare occasions when I need to use Windows these days, I just spin it up in a VM then when it starts to get crappy I can just blow it all away and restore from a snapshot to get everything back to normal again (great way of dealing with time-limited "free" software too)
Seriously to all those people who want to stick with Windows 7, I guarantee that if I sat you down in front of a system running Linux Mint, you wouldn't see much difference, except that it won't spy on you, it won't nag you about stupid crap and it won't get bogged down with malware.
No, that's not Windows XP folks - that's Linux Mint with the XP theme installed
(Note that's not MY desktop - that one is from Google Images. My desktop has a naked woman on it (naturally) and the default Linux Mint theme)
Of course there's the question of hardware and software compatibility, but that's WAY better now than it was just a few years ago - Most hardware will work out of ther box without the hassle of going to look for drivers to download, while over 90% of Windows software (maybe not games, though loads of older games work fine) works perfectly if you install Wine first. (I regularly use Photoshop 6 under Wine and it's flawless. I have it on good authority that even later versions like CS6 are perfect in Wine too)
For those few applications that don't work properly (or at all) in wine, there is the option of running up a Windows VM in VirtualBox (useful for things like Microsoft Publisher, which used to work in Wine until an update broke things)
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I am talking about extensions which are no longer compatible each time Firefox is upgraded : it's not the case of the greater part of these you mention.
I think, for a specialist, you have too many extensions : startup must take several minutes ! I personnaly think that 3 or 4 are enough
VM and Virtualbox : how complicated ! Do you think seriously recommend it to current (non-geek) users ? It is less complicated executing Windows directly !
Linux : lol It's not only (or not at all) a question of theme ! You must type line-to-line command each time there is a pb, XP theme or not...
I wrote it in my first answer I lost : my "optimus" machine have not been compatible with Ubuntu family (as Mint) since Ubuntu 11.04. The ventilator blows terribly. It took several days and nobody succeeded in fixing it.
Other distributions don't have this inconvenient : I installed Manjaro, a 'rolling', much more interesting than Ubuntu family. But Linux in general is a non-ecological product.
But if you like it, it's the essential
I agree with you (everyone agrees) for Windows 7 and Windows 10. As you know, the aim was introducing the "applications" model
Writing in English (or trying !) gives me headache lol
At the beginning my intervention concerned Flash Player in all systems
Npapi Flash is going to be updated in Linux (version 23) but anyway it works badly
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Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
For most people perhaps, but I have my own requirements, and though Firefox is always slow to start up, it's invariably up and running in under 20 seconds (which I will admit is not very fast these days, but it's no point having a fast browser if it doesn't do what I want)
Well it CAN be complicated to get a VM up and running properly (especially if you want to use the more advanced features) but it's not really much more hassle these days than installing Windows from scratch (OK, I know most people never do this since they get Windows when they buy a computer) Don't forget that modern Linux distros have a software management system that works almost like an app store on a phone, making it ridiculously easy to install stuff, and the latest versions of Virtualbox are dead easy to get running.
I've only used Manjaro very briefly once and while it was quite nice, I don't like the way that it (being arch-based) does package management. Nothing wrong with the methods it uses of course, but I've used Debian-based Linux distros for so long that I can handle apt-get with my eyes closed
Of course being a rolling distro, you'll get the latest updates faster than I do, but then I choose to stay on an LTS distro simply because stability is more important (to me) than having all the latest and greatest software packages. Of course the nice thing about Linux is that it has something for everybody and we are all able to choose which method works best for us
One of the reasons I recommend Linux Mint to new users is because you will very rarely have to resort to the command line to get things done - Mint has a GUI for just about everything. Don't forget that many Windows problems require the use of the command line (aka DOS Prompt) to fix too. I've used Linux for a long time, over serveral different distros but even I have settled on Mint simply because it is just SO easy to use.
Well I've not had any issues like that myself, but I know some people who have. Some hardware does experience a few issues, but I have to say that this is getting better with every kernel update
It's OK I can understand everything you are saying
I think that Microsoft are trying too hard to appeal to mobile users (Windows 10, like Windows 8 before it, is clearly designed for touchscreens) at the expense of its traditional desktop user base. Now Apple can kind of get away with this because most of their customers are young hipsters who are always looking for the latest trends. Microsoft's largest customer demographic though are conservative corporate users who require a traditional desktop experience within an office environment. The idea of ordinary domestic users running a Windows computer was something that they never managed to get their head around until Satya Nadella took over as CEO from that idiot Steve Ballmer. Now all of a sudden, they're trying to be Apple, and failing misrably. Most people would agree that the last version of Windows that was truly usable was Windows 7.
Windows 10 is better than Windows 8, but that's about all you can say about it
(don't even get me started of the built-in spyware though)
Well as we both know, the world is moving away from Flash and towards HTML5 and although Adbobe have said they will continue to update Flash Player, this is really just the death throes of a software project that is struggling to remain relevant in the face of a changing technological landscape. Time will tell how this plays out of course, but as more and more end users switch to mobile devices (which generally do not support Flash) for their day-to-day computing activities, I don't see Flash Player being able to survive in the long term. Personally I can't do half of what I do on a mobile devive, but I fully realise that I am not in the majority - most people don't actually "do work" with their devices - they just surf the internet and use online services such as farcebook, twatter and indeed this very website, all of which can be done with relative ease (and a whole lot of eye strain) on mobile.
And you are right - I fear that we have drifted somewhat away from the original topic here and so perhaps this is the place where we should leave this fascinating discourse and allow the thread to return to the original subject matter
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Yes, everyone has his own requirements
And thanks a lot for this detailed answer
I see you're a specialist !
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Well thank you, but I don't think I am really. I'm just an end user who's completely fed up with the total crapshow that is WindowsI see you're a specialist !
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I think you are : only a small part of end users have this knowledge (and want to have it), liking Windows or not.Well thank you, but I don't think I am really. I'm just an end user who's completely fed up with the total crapshow that is Windows
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For info and whatever you think about Flash Player, and for Linux lovers, Flash Player NPAPI 23 for Linux (for Firefox) was implemented after years of "freezing" in version 11.
Still en beta and not available directly in the distributions.
According of Windows edition, the bug I mentioned in Flash Player NPAPI 64 bits will not be fixed. Rather use PPAPI (Chrome and Chromium family).
If you want to upload in this site, of course...
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-npapi-for-linux.html
much better indeed
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Something related. Since about 2 weeks, I cannot access film clips which are posted. All I get is a black (blackened style) or white (default) background surface equal to the normal size of a clip.
Tree has mentioned in today in the crucified dead bodies thread, so it does not seem to be related to my computer.
Tree has mentioned in today in the crucified dead bodies thread, so it does not seem to be related to my computer.