Torture for torture’s sake?

[captivecuties]

As someone who discovered my interest as a young teen, and am now in my late 20's, I realize there are some who are true sadists, and have no concerns with how the victim feels, or their likes and dislikes. They only want to inflict pain and suffering and get their rewards by inflicting it. I knew from that early age, that I needed and wanted to experience the fear that "no limits" brings.

In fantasy such as here, the horrors inflicted upon the victim can be explored.
No limits in reality is too dangerous a thing to risk, of course.
Consensual fear pay can be achieved with enough trust and a carefully build paradigm between the victim and Torturer.

 

[Annatar Lord of Gifts]

I can only talk theoretically as I'm a lonely BDSM virgin(!)

I'd be happy to give the Sub what she wants. Need a reason or scenario, no problem, I've been inventing them all my life as part of my fantasies. Or, just want me to whip you into agonising bliss for the pure reasons of my sexual pleasure then I could do that too.

In terms of whipping, caning and needles I'm prepared to torture the sub as hard as she wants, just let me know the limits and a safe word and then off we go.

 

[scrofetta]

I’ve always preferred to say, “I’m going to torture and abuse you because it gets me hard.”

This.

Or don't even mention it. "That's how it is" and that's all.

 

[Slavesteffi]

I knew I was submissive when I came on here.
I know I'm a masochist now but I'm experiencing pain for the first time in an intentional sense recently.
The trust is the thing right now.
It's weird I am the girl that wants to be whipped with a girlfriend who now is being asked to be the sadist. To be frank we are in a journey together. I don't know does this change or will it!
I just know we are both enjoying xx

 

[Annatar Lord of Gifts]

Again I don't know for sure because I'm making this up as I go along(!), but I guess it's similar to any intimate relationship at the start ie like those first kisses where you have no clue how much tongue to insert in your crushes mouth! (or was that just me?!)

 

[SirMGBZ]

I knew I was submissive when I came on here.
I know I'm a masochist now but I'm experiencing pain for the first time in an intentional sense recently.
The trust is the thing right now.
It's weird I am the girl that wants to be whipped with a girlfriend who now is being asked to be the sadist. To be frank we are in a journey together. I don't know does this change or will it!
I just know we are both enjoying xx

Quite so. I forgot, because I've been with my slave/wife for more than a quarter-century, those early days. In the beginning, yes, there was an abundance of caution, and we approached things slowly and carefully.

So I guess I was really thinking about when the relationship is solid and well-developed. When you've been together for a long enough time that you both know one another intimately and well, and trust each other to know where the lines are drawn.

By the time we had reached that point, we both agreed that roleplaying or making up "excuses" for exercising my sadism and her masochism just grated on both our nerves.

 

[KageKamen]

I was just thinking of making a thread similar to this! (But I didn't quite know where to put it.)

For myself, narrative is important. (Could be cause I got my kink out of books and stuff.) And while that narrative can be of purely enjoying tormenting another (although unless there's some personal grudge, I think I might find a supernatural devourer of pain or fear more instinctively believable than just a sadist who gets their rocks off with it), most often I prefer there to be "cause" of some sort.

 

[agricola64]

I was just thinking of making a thread similar to this! (But I didn't quite know where to put it.)

For myself, narrative is important. (Could be cause I got my kink out of books and stuff.) And while that narrative can be of purely enjoying tormenting another (although unless there's some personal grudge, I think I might find a supernatural devourer of pain or fear more instinctively believable than just a sadist who gets their rocks off with it), most often I prefer there to be "cause" of some sort.

and "cause" rhymwes with "sauce" ... i found that many people like to use cause as a sauce to cover their main dish, which is getting off by causing pain and/or anguish

 

[SirMGBZ]

I was just thinking of making a thread similar to this! (But I didn't quite know where to put it.)

For myself, narrative is important. (Could be cause I got my kink out of books and stuff.) And while that narrative can be of purely enjoying tormenting another (although unless there's some personal grudge, I think I might find a supernatural devourer of pain or fear more instinctively believable than just a sadist who gets their rocks off with it), most often I prefer there to be "cause" of some sort.

Excellent self-analysis, mon frère! You may well be right. I got mine from The Story of O, and from Sexual Stimulation: Games Lover's Play, by S.G. Tuffill. The latter was a fascinating read. But the key was it was all based on letters and interviews with real people, so I think that warped my kink the other way.

And I'm glad I created a thread that resonated with you, @KageKamen .

 

[KageKamen]

and "cause" rhymwes with "sauce" ... i found that many people like to use cause as a sauce to cover their main dish, which is getting off by causing pain and/or anguish

Sometimes, yes... but since I'm meta-doing that in a way, having someone doing it in-story as well can cross the wires.

Excellent self-analysis, mon frère! You may well be right. I got mine from The Story of O, and from Sexual Stimulation: Games Lover's Play, by S.G. Tuffill. The latter was a fascinating read. But the key was it was all based on letters and interviews with real people, so I think that warped my kink the other way.

And I'm glad I created a thread that resonated with you, @KageKamen .

Yes - I can certainly see how that would have a very different impact.

 

[DrTorque]

As someone who discovered my interest as a young teen, and am now in my late 20's, I realize there are some who are true sadists, and have no concerns with how the victim feels, or their likes and dislikes. They only want to inflict pain and suffering and get their rewards by inflicting it. I knew from that early age, that I needed and wanted to experience the fear that "no limits" brings.

For me personally, I like the idea of "no limits". I like the fantasy that you are condemned "to torture" - not to a single instance of it, not to extract information - but to a continuous state of incarceration, violation and pain. I like the fear and the doom that comes with it, but I also like to see you be brave, struggle and fight it, even if it is a lost cause.

I don't need a reason, in fact I prefer it if there is none, or if it is "orders from the High Inquisitor" - an impersonal sentence. In the realm of fantasy, I enjoy it when the torture is "just a job" and you are just a powerless thing thrown into the machine. You are to be tortured - so it will be done, methodically and mercilessly.

In reality the "no limits" play is of course both hard to implement and inherently fake - we will have limits anyway, it's a consensual thing we are doing here after all. And, while I am very sadistic, it does not mean that I have no concerns about your feelings - I do very much want you to enjoy it from your side as I do from mine, and I want you to have this "whoa that was something!" feeling afterwards and relax together. I do seek that confirmation that everything was fine for you afterwards, believe it or not!

For me, the epitome of this is when we both know that we are just playing with the "no limits" thing - and we are both excited by it, getting a little taste of the real thing.

I had a nice date in a torture museum once - we were looking at things which were definitely not safely survivable and whispering about how cool they are - we knew what we are playing with. In my opinion, what you want from such play is to get 'close enough' that imagination can fill in the gaps for you.

 

[SirMGBZ]

Well said, @DrTorque ! I agree wholeheartedly with that. But yes, you can get awfully close when it is a long established relationship, where you know your partner, their limits, their needs, desires, and even their “hell, no’s!” So you are freer to let go and surprise your partner, in a way that lets them escape temporarily into the “no limits” headspace.

 

[Loinclothslave]

I’m just curious. Some folks I’ve known in the scene prefer to justify their pain play as “punishment” for being a “naughty slave.”

I’ve always preferred to say, “I’m going to torture and abuse you because it gets me hard.”

That’s not say there aren’t sometimes punishments, but to me, it feels more right to just admit I’m a sadist, who gets off on seeing or inflicting pain on consenting females. It feels to me like putting on an act to say, “you’ve been a very bad girl who deserves to be punished,” to justify letting my sadism off the leash. It feels inauthentic.

Again, I’m just curious how others feel about this.

MASTER knows me way too well to ever suggest a session is punishment! HE knows only too well that if I could only earn the whip through misbehaviour then I’d become an irrepressible brat! And HE hates the concept of brats!

So it is only from total obedience and by giving him absolute servitude that this one can earn the whip. In fact all torture by HIS hand is a reward, giving both of us the perverse kind of pleasure out combined sadistic cruelty and intense masochism gives us.

Sure, a session might include roleplay elements that invoke the concept of punishment but never from real life misbehaviour, never.

If there was bad behaviour from me, we’d talk it out like a normal relationship, just like when we argue. But that’s dealt with outside the dynamic and also quite rare for us.

 

[Kathy]

I’ve always preferred to say, “I’m going to torture and abuse you because it gets me hard.”

My Dom/husband sometimes says that during our BDSM play , he knows I am a very willing submissive and that my pleasing him also gives me the pleasure and pain of being tortured

 

[supplice]

@stretchedgirl

I read your recent comments on this. Unrelenting torture for it's own sake is one of fantasy's pleasures. There is no confession, or information that will stop it. There is no "safe word" and no time limit. The Dom/Domme or executioner or secret police have no mercy and approach it all as just a job. Their highest calling is to make you suffer, to make you endure and to enjoy it all. You enjoy it too. Degradation and exquisite agony are indispensable parts of the fantasy experience.

Injury and exhaustion are inevitable....but there is the Rapid Recovery Module. No worries then. Post orgasm, jump in for a good night's sleep and all is well.

 

[StarbuckSlut]

I’m just curious. Some folks I’ve known in the scene prefer to justify their pain play as “punishment” for being a “naughty slave.”

I’ve always preferred to say, “I’m going to torture and abuse you because it gets me hard.”

That’s not say there aren’t sometimes punishments, but to me, it feels more right to just admit I’m a sadist, who gets off on seeing or inflicting pain on consenting females. It feels to me like putting on an act to say, “you’ve been a very bad girl who deserves to be punished,” to justify letting my sadism off the leash. It feels inauthentic.

Again, I’m just curious how others feel about this.

I think there almost certainly has to be a reason behind it. Pain for pains sake is just wanton cruelty no one actually enjoys actual pain in its puresest form without conditioning. There are accosiations with pain that can be trained and pain is linked to endorphin release due to fight or flight that can leave you euphoric.

Dont get me wrong cruelty and pain can be very sexy but for something to be geniuely cruel it needs to have a emotion to it such as betrayel or injustice thats what makes it crueler.

If you look deeper Its not actually about the pain at all. Its about objectification, humiliation, shame and power that then becomes an association with pain. Its like pavlovs dog.

A reason makes it sexier makes it more personal. Otherwise its pointless.

 

[thehangingtree]

I think there almost certainly has to be a reason behind it. Pain for pains sake is just wanton cruelty no one actually enjoys actual pain in its puresest form without conditioning. There are accosiations with pain that can be trained and pain is linked to endorphin release due to fight or flight that can leave you euphoric.

Dont get me wrong cruelty and pain can be very sexy but for something to be geniuely cruel it needs to have a emotion to it such as betrayel or injustice thats what makes it crueler.

If you look deeper Its not actually about the pain at all. Its about objectification, humiliation, shame and power that then becomes an association with pain. Its like pavlovs dog.

A reason makes it sexier makes it more personal. Otherwise its pointless.

Tree agrees one would have to be somewhat sick if the only reason to torture someone is because the person doing the torture is doing so because he/she just enjoys it!!!

 

[supplice]

Tree agrees one would have to be somewhat sick if the only reason to torture someone is because the person doing the torture is doing so because he/she just enjoys it!!!

It's all fantasy, Tree. Even when you hang Barb.

 

[SirMGBZ]

I think there almost certainly has to be a reason behind it. Pain for pains sake is just wanton cruelty no one actually enjoys actual pain in its puresest form without conditioning. There are accosiations with pain that can be trained and pain is linked to endorphin release due to fight or flight that can leave you euphoric.

I never said there wasn't a reason. The reason is usually simply because both my slave and I derive pleasure from unleashing my sadism on her masochism.

It's making up reasons, the "you've been naughty and need a spanking" roleplay sort of scene that I fail to see the point of. To me, it feels like the participants are afraid to admit to their sadism and masochism, and need the justification of a roleplay to indulge.

Dont get me wrong cruelty and pain can be very sexy but for something to be geniuely cruel it needs to have a emotion to it such as betrayel or injustice thats what makes it crueler.

I was not talking about cruelty, per se, but about sadism and masochism. If you want cruelty, you are welcome to achieve it in any way you choose. If you need icing on your cruelty to make it tastier, go for it.

If you look deeper Its not actually about the pain at all. Its about objectification, humiliation, shame and power that then becomes an association with pain. Its like pavlovs dog.

Unfortunately, R/L is not always as simple as Psych 101. Yes, objectification, humiliation and power can sometimes play into it, at least for some people. But not everyone falls neatly into the buckets you wish to put them in.

A reason makes it sexier makes it more personal. Otherwise its pointless.

Again, it may make it sexier and more personal for you, and a lack may make it pointless for you, but oddly enough, there are many kinksters who are wired differently from you, and don't feel that way.

Don't worry, it's common for folks new-ish to the scene to feel that the way that they feel or enjoy WIITWD is the best or only way. But there are as many ways to be kinky as there are people.

Tree agrees one would have to be somewhat sick if the only reason to torture someone is because the person doing the torture is doing so because he/she just enjoys it!!!

Yes, and then again, no. If someone simply went around torturing random people because it gave them pleasure, I would agree with you. But when I torture the slave I am in a relationship with, I do it for my pleasure. She might or might not enjoy it in the moment (it depends on what I am doing, and how), but she always looks back after the fact and enjoys it.

Sort of like the quote from the Story of O:

O had never really understood, but she had finally come to accept as an undeniable and important verity, this constant and contradictory jumble of her emotions: she liked the idea of torture, but when she was being tortured herself she would have betrayed the whole world to escape it and yet when it was over she was happy to have gone through it, happier still if it had been especially cruel and prolonged.

 

[owned jade]

I’m just curious. Some folks I’ve known in the scene prefer to justify their pain play as “punishment” for being a “naughty slave.”

I’ve always preferred to say, “I’m going to torture and abuse you because it gets me hard.”

That’s not say there aren’t sometimes punishments, but to me, it feels more right to just admit I’m a sadist, who gets off on seeing or inflicting pain on consenting females. It feels to me like putting on an act to say, “you’ve been a very bad girl who deserves to be punished,” to justify letting my sadism off the leash. It feels inauthentic.

Again, I’m just curious how others feel about this.

For me there doesn't need to be a reason other than we both enjoy it.
I feed off of Mistress' excitement during hard sessions and she feeds off mine.
I enjoy pain, even extreme. Being tied and ready, not knowing what the target will be mostly: tits, nipples, pussy, clit. How far she will take it.
Just having her take me to the room arouses me like you wouldn't believe.
I enjoy the challenge of giving her what she desires. To be able to take it. We have a safe word but I've never used it and will try my very best never to use it.
Being a masochist I enjoy that she desires me that way too.
What I do consider very important is that once the session ends there is care. My hard, relentless, ruthless Mistress then becomes very loving and caring.
It's very hard to acurately describe the warmth and love that fills me with.
Everything usually ending in very passionate sex.
So no reason needed. I enjoy it. I love how it excites Mistress. Bring it on.