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"When to strip" is a good question. I'm glad to see it's getting a serious analysis here.

I mostly go with the Dolcett idea -- no uniforms or clothing of any kind are needed for prisoners, including condemned prisoners.

But I like the idea about some kind of gradual reveal to the audience at the time the crux gets started.

As a compromised, maybe we could bring the condemned out for public viewing, but allow her to make whatever scared, nervous body language she wants. Maybe she'd instinctively keep one hand in front of her nether regions, use her other arm to try to hide her breasts, and hunch her shoulders forward as if trying to conceal her body from view. The execution team could invite the crowd to look her over all they want, maybe even take her on a little walk in among the spectators so they can get a look and also see how nervous she is. Minutes later, when she's nailed to the cross and set up vertical, she'll be all stretched out bare and wiggling for the crowd. Knowing how nervous she was earlier might make the sight a little more interesting or fun & delicious for the onlookers.
 
Lucas Soranus said:
I'm starting to question what would be more humiliating for the victim to strip them before nailing, or to wait until after the cross has been raised, and then strip them there. Any thoughts from people?
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The pain of the nailing would overshadow the humiliation. So no strip when nailing at all.
 
Lucas Soranus said:
I'm starting to question what would be more humiliating for the victim to strip them before nailing, or to wait until after the cross has been raised, and then strip them there. Any thoughts from people?
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I believe the victim should be stripped and marched through the town while carrying the cross or patibulum.
 

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stripped by soldiers.jpeg I was lead in front of a whole crowd of people where they yelled strip him naked!! Take his clothes off!! Execute him naked!!
And finally the soldiers grabbed me and took my robe off exposing my naked body in front of the whole crowd. My penis was fully exposed to the public and it made me so horny!!
 
kendelo said:
I think once the prisoner is condemned/sentenced, they should be immediately stripped and bound out of the court. Once scourged, they will be naked and attached to their patibulums for the rest of their short lives....1st with ropes for the march to the execution ground, then nailed to them upon arrival.
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I agree. Once nails go through arms and legs, nudity becomes least of the problems. Why waste all the fun it can bring.

I think the stripping in a courtroom is the most humiliating experience. That’s where your normal life with normal rights ends.

Whipping or forcing you to carry your cross, already puts you in the different state of mind, where humiliation have less effect.
 
Stungiskhan said:
I agree. Once nails go through arms and legs, nudity becomes least of the problems. Why waste all the fun it can bring.

I think the stripping in a courtroom is the most humiliating experience. That’s where your normal life with normal rights ends.

Whipping or forcing you to carry your cross, already puts you in the different state of mind, where humiliation have less effect.
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And enjoy one last time before the cross is raised. In my "crux" fantasies, a vicious, sadistic and perverse woman is allowed to masturbate me in front of the crowd watching my execution.
 
Edmondab said:
When starting being whipped
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I agree. They could strip you at the very start and tie your arms behind your back, then take you to the whipping area, untie you and retie you to the whipping post, but to strip you at the whipping makes more sense.
 
A few thoughts:
  1. Crucifixion is a public degradation ritual. The final stripping, as an act of degradation, would probably take place in public. It shows the condemned passing from a state of respectability, maybe even wealth and power, to a state of servility. This act of theater is not done for the sake of the condemned's feelings, which are by this point irrelevant, but to demonstrate to onlookers the state's awful power.
  2. In the Gospels, we have accounts of the Romans dressing Jesus in a royal costume after flogging him. This implies soldiers sometimes used clothing to mock the condemned, or perhaps to indicate the nature of their crime. But they put his own clothes back on him after they had their fun.
  3. The clothing of the condemned apparently becomes the property of the executioner, so one would expect the clothing to travel with the condemned to the place of execution. John records the soldiers at Golgotha split Jesus's clothing into four shares and had a tunic left over, so he was apparently well-dressed that day. Curiously, the English let executioners keep the clothing of the condemned well into the 19th century, if not later. Not really important, just a fun fact.
So while the condemned may have been in some state of undress for various preliminaries, I believe in the final phases they would wear their personal clothes until they were in the custody of the execution team, probably at the site of execution. Because stripping a well-dressed man demonstrates the power of the state better than stripping a man wearing rags, and because the executioner gets to keep the clothes, it would be preferable for the condemned to be well-dressed prior to arrival at the site of execution.

If we're talking recreational crucifixion, there's no element of state terror so the public act of degradation isn't quite as important. It becomes more about giving the "victim" a satisfactory experience, one that is in accord with their fantasy and their limits. I'm thinking forceful stripping moments before being affixed to the cross. I think it would create a sense of shock or disorientation, which segues nicely into being on the cross. No dilly-dallying. I also like the idea of the victim keeping a loincloth or similar undergarment until they are affixed and raised. Let them think this will be different than all the other crucifixions; maybe because it's their first time or the top is playing it safe, they will be allowed to keep one last bit of dignity. Then take it away from them. But it all depends on them.
 
Personally, I like the idea of having to strip in court. Maybe the judge orders the defendant to remove some clothing before reading the sentence, as a foreboding. But this just applies to normal clothing.

Once in jail the victims will get some clothing, to give the illusion of some dignity. It will be dirty, ragged, and probably won't cover all that well, but it will be a stark difference as they are stripped.

Which now gets to the... crux of the topic. The first stage is the flogging, where the victim will be made topless. (This applies even to those that have been granted clemency and won't be flogged). They will remain with a loincloth or equivalent trying to cover their genitals.

The condemned will be ordered to remove the last bit before lying on the cross, although I like NihilAlienum's idea of removing them once they are up. Maybe this is reserved for special victims.

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Good ideas!

Since there is always a presumption of guilt for female defendants in court (unless proven innocent :rolleyes:), they should be stripped to the waist (at least) and forced to stand with hands tied behind backs during the trial (which should be, in the interest of justice, concluded fairly quickly).

If found innocent ( :eek: ) she is released and escorted out and hopefully someone will give her some covering before she has to find her own way home. But if confirmed to be guilty then to be immediately fully stripped and taken away into custody for crucifixion at sunup on the following morning.
 
Linnea said:
The condemned will be ordered to remove the last bit before lying on the cross, although I like NihilAlienum's idea of removing them once they are up.
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I think it's a great way to cap off the show. On the other hand, it is probably more historically accurate to strip the victim before permanently affixing them to the cross. The victim's clothing became the property of the executioners. They would want to take possession of it before it became too soiled. So we encounter the tension between historical authenticity, and the necessity and desire to craft an artful and satisfying experience.

DirkZ said:
If found innocent ( :eek: ) she is released and escorted out and hopefully someone will give her some covering before she has to find her own way home.
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Something like this has happened, kind of, but to the other sex. In 1447, several men were sentenced to be drawn, hanged, and quartered. As the sentence involved emasculation and disembowelment, they were all stripped. They were hanged, then cut down alive for the fatal tortures. At the last moment, they were pardoned. But as the clothing of the condemned had become property of the executioner (a hallowed tradition), and the executioner was loathe to give up his bounty just because the men were no longer condemned, he refused to return their clothing. They went home naked, but with their bollocks and guts, so it was a still a good day for them.

The following is from Tyburn Tree: Its History and Annals:
1447. And a-non aftyr the dethe of the Duke of Glouceter there were a reste [arrested] many of the sayde dukys [servants] to the nombyr of xxxviij squyers, be-syde alle othyr servantys that nevyr ymagenyd no falsenys of the [that] they were put a-pon of. And on Fryday the xiiij day of Juylle nexte folowynge by jugement at Westemyster, there by fore v personys were dampnyd to be drawe, hanggyd, and hyr bowellys i-brente be fore hem, and thenne hyr heddys to be smetyn of, ande thenne to be quarteryde, and every parte to be sende unto dyvers placys by assygnement of the jugys. Whyche personys were thes: Arteys the bastarde of the sayde Duke of Glouceter, Syr Rogger Chambyrlayne knyght, Mylton squyer, Thomas Harberde squyer, Nedam yeman, whyche were the sayde xiiij day of Juylle i-drawe fro Syn Gorgys thoroughe owte Sowthewerke and on Londyn Brygge, ande so forthe thorowe the cytte of London to the Tyborne, and there alle they were hanggyde, and the ropys smetyn a-sondyr, they beynge alle lyvynge, and thenne, ar any more of any markys of excecusyon were done, the Duke of Sowthefolke brought them alle yn generalle pardon and grace from our lorde and soverayne Kynge Harry the vjᵗᵉ.

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Gregory’s Chron., p. 188. Stow adds, “but yᵉ yeoman of yᵉ crowne had their liuelode, and the hangman had their cloths, or wearing apparrell. The Pardon for liues was obtained through the earnest sute and labor of master Gilbert Worthington, then parson of S. Andrewes in Holborn a doctor of Diuinity a famous man and a greate preacher in those daies” (p. 386).
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To be forced to kneel before a clothed, highly, sexually desirable woman, stripped of my loincloth after she orders my crucifixion before her. As in the story below.
Having been around men in a cell for weeks, beaten, flogged and broken. Made to carry the platibum I shall expire on while whipped and prodded. deeply desiring the sound, sent, taste and feel of a woman and realizing I will never be with one again, instead being scorned and ridiculed by women in the crowd. Upon arrival on the small Crucifixion hill, I am prodded before a perfectly rare and beautiful woman in white with golden hair and eyes of ice blue, that follow as I am pushed to my knees before her. She is so immaculate and I so filthy, bleeding, trembling and in shock that she will witness my slow death? An executioner states 'Lady Castratrix,
I present the coward' as he 'pulls off my loin cloth' and throws it to the ground.
Waves of indescribable shame and humiliation flow through me. Her eyes coldly look at my inferior nakedness, the small crowd of mostly women cheer with my humiliation. Her beauty uncontrollably hardens me. I want and need her but she superior to me, is to be a major instrument of my torture, emasculation and ultimate humiliation.
She smirks and giggles at my inadequate offering to women.
As a guard forces my head to the ground with his boot behind my neck, she slips out of a slipper and presents a bare, petite, moist little foot before my lips, in the dirt. 'Now is the time that you may silently beg a quick emasculation of me while slipping your tongue along the top of my foot and between my toes, while your cross is laid before us coward. Momentarily i am thrown onto my cross, as she haughtily takes a seat above my head. She dismissively gazes at my cowardly, trembling, genitals and nakedness, as my wrists are held down for nailing to the sides of the cross at my waist, and my heels positioned for nailing on the platibum.
As she removes her other slipper, lowering and rubbing her moist, lightly scented soles on my whiskers and face, i lick her sweat from her feet, she states that i shall be crucified and she will emasculate me upside down. Unlike a slave or prisoner, a coward is not worthy of looking into her eyes as she takes his sex from him. But instead to look and worship only upon her feet, as i suffer in her beauty, tortures, taunts and cuts, screaming, writhing, slowly dying in agony, humiliated, licking beneath her feet.
She looks forward to a bath and a real man's tongue to pleasure her womanhood before his cock thrusts into her as she basques in the fear, desire humiliation , despair and pain she arose in the pathetic coward she sexually, emotionally and physically destroyed at her feet today.
 
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