WOW! Sloppy thinking and uninformed statements, even on the part of Staff (TREE). Who would have guessed?
Can we please get back to facts, reality, and the quality which heretofore has defined this forum/website?
Some points, not necessarily in chronological order.
1) Every transaction involving money/barter/trade is fundamentally economic in nature. We see something we want and what’s the first thing we do? Check the price and availability! One way or another the result is a value judgment, an economic opinion, and is something we do every day, unconsciously it is so basic.
Why should these personal opinions or judgments, such as Darken made and publically expressed, and shared by many others, be questioned one way or another?
It’s a personal matter and one way or another should not be met by hostility from others.
If it’s right for you, buy. If not, don’t. DUH!
But WHY HOSTILITY?
2) Darken made a cordial objection to Bartnels prices (with which many people agree), to which Bartnel responded with defensive hostility. I don’t think this was appropriate.
“Frankerl” and “graphicsguy” posted cordial, accurate, and informed posts which were spot on and tried to return the debate to a factual and intellectual, as opposed to emotional, level.
“Xenophon” made excellent points too, but I disagree with him about economics being secondary. Every point he made was also economic and can be found in any economic textbook. It is the model for the great Renaissance artists and their patrons.
I personally thank them for this effort. And I commend them all for their effort, accuracy, and cordiality.
TREE, you responded with terse, dismissive, and I think (AN OPINION!) rude responses.
You ignored and minimized their excellent points.
Shameful for “Staff.” Perhaps someone at the coffee shop should/could educate you regarding basic/fundamental economic principles.
You owe these members, in my opinion, an apology. Also an explanation. (See below.)
3) Bartnel! Where do I begin?!
He started this thread on May 31, 2016. On pg. 5 of this thread, July 4, he first intimated that a sale of his work would be possible and requested a “PM.”
I bit! And for my efforts received not any kind of “personal message,” but a price list.
He wanted $525 for part 1 of Inferno, and $750 for part 2. If you bought both together you received a $110 discount to $1105 for both.
Bartnel, WHY DID YOU NOT HAVE THE HONESTY AND INTEGRITY TO POST THIS ON THE THREAD AT THAT TIME?
WHY DID YOU RESPOND WITH HOSTILITY AND ANGER WHEN DARKEN FINALLY DID THIS ON June 1, 2019?
Darkens expose:
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/bartnels-inferno.5412/page-74
Bartnel's response:
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/bartnels-art.7210/
First to Bartnel, then Tree.
Bartnel, I am privileged to know many artists, including “merchants” who sell “industrial products.” (Your quote.) They do so for reasons of joy, creativity, and PRIDE.
They don’t bitch about how much work it entails. They set fair prices for their creations which I am happy to pay, frequently with a generous overage because I feel they so undervalue their work.
Does this ACCURATELY describe you Bartnel?
Do you “share” like Jedakk, Jastrow, or Hornet? Even Skating Jesus, who publishes much that he simply gives away, as opposed to merely being part of a project for sale.
Compare Skating Jesus’ Renderotica page to Barnel’s.
Bartnel, why the PM BS, why the anger towards those who would publish your prices? Why the THREATS to stop “sharing?”
I DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO CHARGE WHATEVER YOU WANT FOR YOUR WORK. I ALSO DEFEND MY RIGHT NOT TO PAY THAT AMOUNT.
From another artist’s website:
The Difference Between Selling and Sharing
There’s a difference, you know:
Between manipulating people to buy something and just simply sharing something you’ve created.
https://goinswriter.com/selling-sharing/
Bartnel is a good artist, the best in the crux niche. But compare his work to others, like:
https://studiofow.com/
Kinky, FREE, suburb quality, just not in the crux niche. Compare this to Bartnel’s artistry. It puts the situation, his work, and prices into perspective!
4) To Tree, “Staff,” the Moderator. Why was this thread not transferred, en toto, to the “Links to paysites and other resources” on July 4, 2016?
Why was such a thread not started until January 1, 2019. Happy New Year?!
There is a distinct difference between “sharing” and offering SAMPLES of work for sale. If that fundamental distinction is lost on you, you, and those like you, are not worth my effort.
Apologize PLEASE to the members whose posts and intelligence you have insulted.
And enough of your juvenile, prejudicial threats about censure!
I ask you to TRANSFER THIS THREAD WHERE IT BELONGS.
5) We unfortunately live in a world where up is down, good is evil, and black is white.
I’m sorry, but evolution, climate change, and economics are not a matter of political or social opinion, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, or any other such polarizing categorization.
They are simply facts determinable by the scientific method or neutral, educated empirical observation.
So can we transfer Bartnel’s SAMPLES of what he is SELLING to a thread appropriate for this exchange?
Cheers.
