gerembeau
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Eulalia naked, what else ?"Crucifixion de Santa Eulalia", by Josep Bernat Flaigier (c. 1812)
Poor Eul !
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Erotic helplessness : a study of the history of the Damsel in Distress theme in art
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That's our @Eulalia - "I know you boys want to crucify me, but let me at least get rid of this loincloth.""Crucifixion de Santa Eulalia", by Josep Bernat Flaigier (c. 1812)
Poor Eul !
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coldturkey
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ducon007
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Welcome to the club of victims of CF's ruthless rules! Isn't that "dindon froid"?
I refer you back to the discussion on page 8 of this 'Erotic Helplessness' thread.
We do not tolerate images of children in a forum exploring the erotic aspects of suffering, be they paintings, manips, drawings, 3D or AI generated. If you can see them in an art gallery, then great - an art gallery does not have that purpose, and it's their problem, not ours.
We do not tolerate images of children in a forum exploring the erotic aspects of suffering, be they paintings, manips, drawings, 3D or AI generated. If you can see them in an art gallery, then great - an art gallery does not have that purpose, and it's their problem, not ours.
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coldturkey
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Don Brennus Aléra, Captive, Contemporary Slavery in Morocco. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rules allow me to exceptionally post more than 5 images when these constitute a single story. Is that correct ?
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I believe that too!
gerembeau
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I see some enthusiasm for staff’s explanation, so I would reply with all due respect for maintening the best forum I know.
Both Eulalia Merida and Eulalia of Barcelone were 12 to 14 old when they were martyrized.
So, any pic depicting Eulalia’s martyrdom posted here shows an underaged girl.
So, what will the staff do ?
No, don’t ban Eulalia, please !!!
We probably won't ban @Eulalia ...
But an image accurately and obviously portraying her as a 14 year old or less would not be acceptable. Let us be thankful that the standards which prevailed at the time of her martyrdom are not those that prevail now.
Happily those that I've seen depict her as an adult. Which is just as well, because images of children in an erotic context are illegal in most countries, and would breach our terms of service with Xenforo. I know it sucks when we delete images, but we, too, are seeking to maintain the best forum that we know.
Rupert_137
Governor
With my first post in this thread, I would like to introduce you to the case of a special judicial murder in the late Middle Ages in Bavaria:
The drowning of Agnes Bernauer on October 12, 1435 near Straubing in the Danube
Fall of the Agnes Bernauer into the Danube. Illustration from 1880. Illustration from: Joseph Maria Mayer, "Das Regentenhaus Wittelsbach, or: History of Bavaria, Regensburg 1880, 334"
Agnes Bernauer is drowned in the Danube: wood engraving, 1858, after a drawing by Wilhelm Camphausen (1808–1885). Berlin, Collection Archive for Art and History.
"Agnes Bernauerin", the secret wife of Duke Albrecht III. v. Bavaria is drowned as a sorceress in the Danube near Straubing on October 12th, 1435, wood engraving around 1880
An eyewitness reported: On the orders of Duke Ernst of Bavaria, the beautiful mistress of his son Albrecht, the daughter of bathhouse owner in Augsburg, was thrown off the Straubing Danube bridge. She tried to swim to shore, but the hangman pushed her back under the water with a pole until she drowned.
Agnes Bernauer lived in Bavaria around the time of Joan of Arc (* 1410, + 1435). She was the daughter of a bathhouse owner in Augsburg. She was a beautiful, confident, and smart young woman, and that became her undoing. The Bavarian Crown Prince and future Duke August III. from the Wittelsbach family fell in love with Agnes. But she not only accompanied him to the bathhouse and bedroom, she became his fiancé and from 1432 an influential person in the Bavarian court and lived with the crown prince from the beginning of 1433 at Blutenburg Castle. There is no evidence of a formal marriage.
Agnes Bernauer personally organized the arrest of the robber baron Münnhauser and aroused the ire of the Wittelsbach ducal family with her self-confident demeanour. Duke Ernst, Albrecht's father, obviously could not accept the endangerment of the succession through the inappropriate marriage of his only son. While Albrecht was at a hunting event, he had Agnes insidiously arrested and drowned in the Danube near Straubing on October 12, 1435, accusing her of being a "wicked woman and sorceress" - there was no court hearing (pictures above).
A reconciliation between father and son and a befitting marriage to 'Anna von Braunschweig-Grubenhagen' in 1436 was only possible when Duke Ernst had built the Agnes Bernauer chapel in the St. Peter cemetery in Straubing, where it still stands today her tombstone is located. Indirectly, the father and duke thereby conceded the judicial murder he had ordered, because a Wittelsbach duke would not erect a chapel for a “wicked woman and sorceress”.
Even today, the Agnes Bernauer Festival is held every four years in Straubing (pictures below):
Agnes Bernauer Chapel, coloured wood engraving from Johann Sporschils “History of the Germans”, 1850
Agnes Bernauer, contemporary portrait, along with her tombstone and an actress from the Agnes Bernauer Festival 2007
The drowning of Agnes Bernauer on October 12, 1435 near Straubing in the Danube
Fall of the Agnes Bernauer into the Danube. Illustration from 1880. Illustration from: Joseph Maria Mayer, "Das Regentenhaus Wittelsbach, or: History of Bavaria, Regensburg 1880, 334"
Agnes Bernauer is drowned in the Danube: wood engraving, 1858, after a drawing by Wilhelm Camphausen (1808–1885). Berlin, Collection Archive for Art and History.
"Agnes Bernauerin", the secret wife of Duke Albrecht III. v. Bavaria is drowned as a sorceress in the Danube near Straubing on October 12th, 1435, wood engraving around 1880
An eyewitness reported: On the orders of Duke Ernst of Bavaria, the beautiful mistress of his son Albrecht, the daughter of bathhouse owner in Augsburg, was thrown off the Straubing Danube bridge. She tried to swim to shore, but the hangman pushed her back under the water with a pole until she drowned.
Agnes Bernauer lived in Bavaria around the time of Joan of Arc (* 1410, + 1435). She was the daughter of a bathhouse owner in Augsburg. She was a beautiful, confident, and smart young woman, and that became her undoing. The Bavarian Crown Prince and future Duke August III. from the Wittelsbach family fell in love with Agnes. But she not only accompanied him to the bathhouse and bedroom, she became his fiancé and from 1432 an influential person in the Bavarian court and lived with the crown prince from the beginning of 1433 at Blutenburg Castle. There is no evidence of a formal marriage.
Agnes Bernauer personally organized the arrest of the robber baron Münnhauser and aroused the ire of the Wittelsbach ducal family with her self-confident demeanour. Duke Ernst, Albrecht's father, obviously could not accept the endangerment of the succession through the inappropriate marriage of his only son. While Albrecht was at a hunting event, he had Agnes insidiously arrested and drowned in the Danube near Straubing on October 12, 1435, accusing her of being a "wicked woman and sorceress" - there was no court hearing (pictures above).
A reconciliation between father and son and a befitting marriage to 'Anna von Braunschweig-Grubenhagen' in 1436 was only possible when Duke Ernst had built the Agnes Bernauer chapel in the St. Peter cemetery in Straubing, where it still stands today her tombstone is located. Indirectly, the father and duke thereby conceded the judicial murder he had ordered, because a Wittelsbach duke would not erect a chapel for a “wicked woman and sorceress”.
Even today, the Agnes Bernauer Festival is held every four years in Straubing (pictures below):
Agnes Bernauer Chapel, coloured wood engraving from Johann Sporschils “History of the Germans”, 1850
Agnes Bernauer, contemporary portrait, along with her tombstone and an actress from the Agnes Bernauer Festival 2007
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Rupert_137
Governor
An addendum, the case of Agnes Bernauer 1435 is indeed reminiscent of Joan of Arc, who was burned at the stake in Rouen just four years earlier. In both cases a young woman who had risen up from a humble background was executed for purely political reasons under the pretext of being a heretic, witch or sorceress.
At the same time, there are similarities with the Prussian Crown Prince and later King Friedrich II in 1730, who, after a failed attempt to escape from his father's strict regime, had to watch helplessly as his friend was executed and his completely innocent music girlfriend was publicly flogged – on the orders of his father and king.
But unlike the young Crown Prince Frederick II of Prussia, August III of Bavaria in 1435 already was 33 years old and he commanded part of the Bavarian army. Upon hearing of the judicial murder of his fiancée, he was initially determined to rally his troops and lead them against his old father and duke to hold him accountable. Only the personal intervention of the German-Roman Emperor Sigismund was able to prevent the military conflict between father and son. The chapel built by Duke Ernst of Bavaria for Agnes Bernauer was much more than a sign of good will, it was the admission of his guilt and the prerequisite for an urgently needed reconciliation.
For that matter, the traditional view of the Church was that the Virgin Mary was 15 when Angel Gabriel came to visit her, 16 when Jesus was born. But paintings of Our Lady don't make that apparent, and nor do most portrayals of my name-saint.
Rupert_137
Governor
I think we should be honest, there are no historically reliable sources that give us the age of young holy martyrs or even of the Virgin Mary. This actually eliminates the problem - we don't know how old they actually were!
But of course there was no protection for children and young people in earlier times; they were often treated like adults at work, but also in criminal law. And girls were allowed or had to marry very early...
Rupert_137
Governor
We have already seen many pictures about the terrible suffering of Saint Agatha of Sicily, which I do not want to repeat here...
Elsewhere I had already compiled 20 works of art about her martyrdom - here is the link:
What I want to present here are strange pieces of erotic food artworks in Agatha's tragic memory.
In Italy, especially Sicily, Agatha's homeland, you can buy so-called nipple cakes, the 'Minni di Virgini' the small (tits) of the Virgin - sweet and delicious!
A sweet but macabre memory to a young woman's martyrdom in Sicily around 250 AD
Here are the implementations of the motif in paintings, Saint Agatha apparently unharmed, but holding her severed breasts:
In France and Switzerland, for example, you can also buy Agatha bread, and you can also find many recipes for it on the Internet:
The Agatha bun from France apparently mimics the saint's breast (right).
But in Switzerland, what part of the Virgin's body might they have been thinking about baking Agatha rings (left)?
Elsewhere I had already compiled 20 works of art about her martyrdom - here is the link:
What I want to present here are strange pieces of erotic food artworks in Agatha's tragic memory.
In Italy, especially Sicily, Agatha's homeland, you can buy so-called nipple cakes, the 'Minni di Virgini' the small (tits) of the Virgin - sweet and delicious!
A sweet but macabre memory to a young woman's martyrdom in Sicily around 250 AD
Here are the implementations of the motif in paintings, Saint Agatha apparently unharmed, but holding her severed breasts:
In France and Switzerland, for example, you can also buy Agatha bread, and you can also find many recipes for it on the Internet:
The Agatha bun from France apparently mimics the saint's breast (right).
But in Switzerland, what part of the Virgin's body might they have been thinking about baking Agatha rings (left)?
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coldturkey
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