Sir Henry
Governor
Ooops...!?Mmhhhh it's dangerous you didn't know if you materialize yourself on or down the cross.
I think I should ask "Dr. Emmett Brown"...
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I think I should ask "Dr. Emmett Brown"...
Sorry I correct "you don't know" this stupid automatic writingMmhhhh it's dangerous you don't know if you materialize yourself on or down the cross.
Kathy
Terra Nova Tramp
How much would the patibulum weigh?
thecuriousone
Tribune
Depends on how big you make it and what type of wood you use.
messaline
Crucified Amazon
According to the internet, so it must be true
:The commonly used low cross was 1.8 - 2.4 m tall and the patibulum 1.5 - 1.8 m long and it weighed well over 130 kg, with the patibulum alone weighing up to 57 kg
. The stipes was usually implanted ahead of the crucifixion event, and the patibulum attached after the victim had been nailed or tied to it.
Barabbas
Governor
57kg would be the bodyweight of the woman carrying the patibulum. Carrying it any appreciable distance looks like a nearly impossible task. She must have help!According to the internet, so it must be true
The commonly used low cross was 1.8 - 2.4 m tall and the patibulum 1.5 - 1.8 m long and it weighed well over 130 kg, with the patibulum alone weighing up to 57 kg
Kathy
Terra Nova Tramp
@Eulalia Thank you for the information , the patibulum weighs nearly as much as I do , so obviously I would not have the ability to carry itAccording to the internet, so it must be true
The commonly used low cross was 1.8 - 2.4 m tall and the patibulum 1.5 - 1.8 m long and it weighed well over 130 kg, with the patibulum alone weighing up to 57 kg
captivecuties
Senator
This was an impromptu scene I did with Wenona a long time ago when her body was peak for crucifying.
Unfortunately, I never got around to doing it proper with her again which I never forgive myself for.
Sir Henry
Governor
Oh you know, Kathy, I may be a devilish beast - but not entirely without soul and heart:
You're a graceful tiny woman. Well, that's why I'd show some mercy and impose a little patibulum tailored to you. Let's say 25 to 30 kg (55 to 65 lbs)???
Would that suit you?
And so that you don't break down prematurely, just a few strokes of the cane on your little bum on the way from the dungeon to the cross. Okay?
(But then I'll nail you very, very slowly... I'm afraid THAT will really hurt.)
Sir Henry
Governor
Thank you for your compliments, but I don't quite understand, Messaline:What a wonderful fantasy ... If only I could be involved in it ...
in our private exchange I had offered you to virtually participate in my fantasy by including you as the main protagonist in one of my stories. Then you said that I am too extreme and that you would rather prefer the gentler way...
(Be that as it may, my offer still stands...)
Sir Henry
Governor
andAccording to the internet, so it must be true
The commonly used low cross was 1.8 - 2.4 m tall and the patibulum 1.5 - 1.8 m long and it weighed well over 130 kg, with the patibulum alone weighing up to 57 kg
The information given here applies with a certain plus-minus deviation.
After leaving the clinical-medical profession and retiring, I am working as a volunteer monument conservator since 5 years and have a lot to do with regional history and archaeology, especially here in Trier, Germany's oldest city (over 2000 years) with Roman roots.
I have been dealing with the Roman history for many years (completely independently of our beautiful fetish), because executions also took place here in our amphitheater, a Roman arena for fighting and games. I can reliably say the following:
Although not too much has been handed down historically about crucifixions, we know of two definitive cross forms used in Ancient Rome and in the provinces:
1.) the crux immissa cross form and
2) the crux commissa cross form
In the crux immissa (1), the stipes, the vertical beam, initially lay on the ground and the victim was placed on the stipes together with the patibulum (to which the victim was tied) and crucified, i.e. completely nailed down by the hands and feet. The patibulum was usually fixed to the stipes in an X-shape with a rope or nailed down.
The cross made in this way was then set up vertically with the nailed victim, whereby the foot, the lower end, of the stipe slipped into a dug hole in the ground, in which it was then fixed with wooden wedges.
This form of cross was also known as the "Roman cross".
In the case of the crux commissa (2), the stipe was already firmly anchored vertically in the ground when the victim arrived. The tip of the stipe was cone-shaped and there was a hole in the center of the patibulum hollowed out to match the cone. The victim was then first nailed to the patibulum while lying in front of the stipe and the patibulum was then pulled/lifted upwards using ropes and large Y-shaped forks until the patibulum slid over the peg and locked into place. Because the victim was only nailed in the arms with two nails (through the ulna and radius) until this step, additional lacing around the arms was usually used to hold them in place so that the nail wounds did not tear. The feet were only nailed to the stipes on once the patibulum was locked in place.
As this type of crucifixion was much more strenuous and also more labor-intensive, it was used less frequently and this type of cross was [later] also called the "T-cross".
As far as the weights are concerned, practically nothing has been handed down.
However, we can assume that they were based on the body measurements of the victims: A delicate young woman would hardly have been burdened with a patibulum that weighed the same as one for a male "closet", because it was clear from the outset that she would never be able to manage it on her own. It is also certain that the shape and size (and therefore also the weight) of crosses were very often tailored to the stature of the victim.
All other types of crosses that we encounter TODAY (!) are demonstrably not crosses used in ancient Rome; the crux decussata certainly not, because it only appeared in connection with the apostle Andrew in the 4th century.
Nevertheless, a few years ago I compiled a list of all known crosses that appear in today's myths and graphic representations - not taking into account minor deviations in design:
(I would also like to say about the graphics that although the "crux duplex specialis humilis" is my favorite cross [oh, you poor women who are crucified by me on it!], but this is definitely not a Roman antique cross!)
I have been working intensively on the real history of the crucifixion for a number of years and hope that my comments are helpful.
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And @Kathy: Well, don't be afraid, I will arrange for a not too heavy patibuum to be tied on your shoulders. I promise!
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Kathy
Terra Nova Tramp
I think I could carry 25 kg with incentive from the caneOh you know, Kathy, I may be a devilish beast - but not entirely without soul and heart:
You're a graceful tiny woman. Well, that's why I'd show some mercy and impose a little patibulum tailored to you. Let's say 25 to 30 kg (55 to 65 lbs)???
Would that suit you?
And so that you don't break down prematurely, just a few strokes of the cane on your little bum on the way from the dungeon to the cross. Okay?
(But then I'll nail you very, very slowly... I'm afraid THAT will really hurt.)
Sir Henry
Governor
PERSONAL MESSAGE TO THE CONVICTED KATHY - VIA COURIER TO PRISON
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All right, I have just informed the Magistrate and the Judicial Council that
I.) Kathy, who has been sentenced to the cross, is to be given a maximum 25 kg patibulum.
II.) I have also instructed and ordered that you are not to be molested or sexually abused while in custody in the dungeon.
III.) My last order was that the three Ledionaires who lead you from your cell to the place of execution are not to whip you, but that only a peeled willow rod of moderate strength is to be used on your bottom.
Sorry, unfortunate Kathy, that's all I can do for you at the moment; we'll see each other at your cross on Sunday at 6am at the place of execution.
You may scream during the nailing, but you would make me proud if you were a brave girl.
Your executor
Oh yes, I forgot: I have also ordered a particularly tasty last meal for you. With one last (small) cup of wine. Enjoy it!
Slurp slurp what fantastic show. Sorry S.H. and what about crown of thorns and cornu ? I think that Kathy could endure both, cause she saves a lot of pain with these soft rules. They are as cherry on the cake. Aren't they ?
Sir Henry
Governor
How true!Slurp slurp what fantastic show. Sorry S.H. and what about crown of thorns and cornu ? I think that Kathy could endure both, cause she saves a lot of pain with these soft rules. They are as cherry on the cake. Aren't they ?
But your question about the crown of thorns is justified and quickly answered: I reject it. Because I'm not a fan of silly religious fairy tales and that's why I don't act out Jesus scenes with my female delinquents.
But as far as the cornu is concerned, I don't remember sparing her that. I apologize if I didn't mention it: the cornu, rectal or vaginal (I often use a twin cornu) is an essential and fundamental part of all my crucifixions!
Now, Kathy is a very petite little lady. In my rare display of magnanimity, I spare her torment in advance. With my instructions not to molest and abuse her, the use of a cane instead of strong whippings, a patibukum appropriate to her stature and a delicious last meal with a small cup of red wine, I give her a few last pleasant hours in this life.
This right is mine as chief executor and I only make use of it in a few exceptional cases. She is one of those exceptions.
You think I'm too soft?
Oho, then you'd better not be there for the actual crucifixion and the many hours afterwards in which I will keep her alive: she will - and believe me! - suffer terribly and the steel cornu will cause her additional terrible pain and make her bleed.
The road to her redemptive death will be cruel. It doesn't have to be the hours before her crucifixion.
And yes, I think she knows all this too... At least she probably suspects it.
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Now Kathy, calm down again! Don't cry. Otherwise I'll get angry and then my goodwill will melt away...
I'm not involved in any religious matter, but....C.O.T. is so humiliating, painful and choreographic ( face bleeding
!! ) that I always suggest to executors to push it hard on her head to allows the thornes to harpoon deep the scalp.
May I propose to let Kathy decide about the crown ?
Excuse me for thinking you might avoid to Kathy the cornu. Why in metal and not in wood ? Ecological and recyclablel.
Sir Henry
Governor
I gladly accept your suggestion: So let's leave it to the condemned to decide on "a less ladylike crown"...May I propose to let Kathy decide about the crown ?
Excuse me for thinking you might avoid to Kathy the cornu. Why in metal and not in wood ? Ecological and recyclablel.
Kathy? What do you say?
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The Cornu... well... in terms of environmental protection, organic ("Bio"), sustainability and so on... okay, I'll take that suggestion too: So I'll order a wooden cornu for Sunday morning from our magistrate carpenter, who is already working on her cross.
Sir Henry
Governor
Oh, thank you so much for your compliment!
Yes, if you are female, I would be honored to fulfill your wish. I would take care of you both lovingly and tough as nails!