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Girls With Swords!, For Erin
- Thread starter Gibbs505
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The eyes of #1 are sharper than the sword! They cut right into me!
Yes, for looks like that she should actually apply for a firearms license.The eyes of #1 are sharper than the sword! They cut right into me!
willowfall
Senator
How about neither one knows the first thing about sword fighting? I could kill either in about 30 seconds. With a stick never mind a sword.
Two, hold out a loose piece of cloth and try to cut it with a knife or sword. Doesn't happen. So either the sword doesn't cut the shirt or it gets all the way to the skin and cuts that too.
A duel has rules (it's a game not a fight) the only rule in a fight with sharps is you do what it takes to go home and see that your opponent doesn't. Example when they cross swords right in the beginning and her wrist is turn outwards, you grab her wrist with your off hand and disengage your blade and RUN HER THRU (well personally I prefer a cut first then a thrust and never 'ta da' as that will only get you killed).
Couldn't watch more than about 30-45 seconds, sheesh.
Most people don't get why I get picky on these things because "Well it looks cool". Suppose you played an instrument and some moron picked it up and started playing it wrong and the sound was horrible? Everybody would ask them to stop no matter how "cool" it looked.
A sword happens to be one of my "instruments". It is the same visceral reaction.
kisses
willowfall
Naraku
Draconarius
I won't dispute your points (pun not intended). In fact, I'm sure you're totally correct. But, the whole point (pun intended) of theatrical fighting is to be, well, theatrical. Or, as you put it, to look cool.
Fights in movies, TV shows and, in this case, razor commercials, are never realistic because they aren't supposed to be. They are meant to entertain, or in this case sell razors. That's the fun of them.
And, speaking of unrealistic but fun: I give you the very cool Antonio Banderas and the very sexy Catherine Zeta Jones in "The Mask of Zorro". The film's not that great, but this scene is pretty cool...and hot.
Gibbs505
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OH, I agree with you 100% I also get annoyed when people do or say things that I know to be absolutely wrong in an area that I have some expertise in!
I just found the advert amusing and hope that you did as well Hey if you watched it for 45 seconds, you got almost halfway in.
But you missed the male character falling through a hail of glass on to a bed and then being joined by the girl for,, we assume a frolic!
I assume they went to the ER afterward to get the glass removed!!
some seemingly slightly drunk girls play pirates and a Japanese girl with a wonderful katana sword
willowfall
Senator
I won't dispute your points (pun not intended). In fact, I'm sure you're totally correct. But, the whole point (pun intended) of theatrical fighting is to be, well, theatrical. Or, as you put it, to look cool.
Fights in movies, TV shows and, in this case, razor commercials, are never realistic because they aren't supposed to be. They are meant to entertain, or in this case sell razors. That's the fun of them.
And, speaking of unrealistic but fun: I give you the very cool Antonio Banderas and the very sexy Catherine Zeta Jones in "The Mask of Zorro". The film's not that great, but this scene is pretty cool...and hot.
Oh absolutely no dispute about theatrical fighting. In fact one of the biggest issues we have with theatrical fighters who want to learn "real" sword play is measure. For those of you who don't know being "in measure" in sword fighting means that you are close enough to your opponent to hit them in a single move (and thus they to you). The other problem is you in a real fight you DON'T attack the weapon where as in theatrical fencing the whole purpose is to attack the weapon so it "looks cool".
I've got no problem with you wanting to do somethign that "looks cool" it's your time have at it. Just don't waste mine trying to tell me you are a sword fighter or fighting with a sword.
kisses
willowfall
It was the Japanese lassie that made me dish up a 'love', Heineudo.... even though she looks a little less... drunk!
Gibbs505
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For the first one, I'm not sure if she could actually wield that sword
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All three look like a handful!
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some new sword fighting girls
willowfall
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So I'm supposed to tell if this is the best of the bad? LOL
Well for starters I'll give them credit for actually being in measure most of the fight and actually using the sabers almost appropriately. But I also saw at least 3 opportunities for each side to easily end the fight (Ok director didn't want it to end, got it). The other obvious thing is all the blows that were planned to miss (and choreographing a fight at speed is a bitch) fell short and were targeted that way. A saber cut should land on your target about 6 inches below the point of the saber since most of the damage is done as you draw the blade back.
If you ARE going to attack your opponents blade to clear the way for your second move you attack their 'foible' (the quarter of the blade nearest the point which is the weakest in terms of strength to resist a blow) with your 'forte' (the quarter of the blade nearest the hilt which is the strongest). All the blade attacks were forte to forte (for obvious reasons).
That said there was no evidence of actually understanding how to fight to kill. For example they would make a strike at say their opponents left and then without proper footwork switch all the way over to their opponents right and launch another attack. The classic TV\Movie 'Ok I'm going here' move.
They passed up opportunities to punch with the hand guard. There were no proper double moves (this is an edged weapon so make a cut and always have a second cut planned because nobody dies instantly. So a cut #1 followed by say a #5 [assumed the first cut was parried.]).
However to their credit it looks like both actors had actually learned how to sport fence at some point and the moves they were taught for this fight look almost like they came out of the German School of saber fencing. This kind of make sense based on the age of the movie because the German style (favored by late 19th Century Dueling societies and the German military for settling questions of honor) was pretty much the last one to still use sharps. While I'm not sure about the rest of Europe I'm pretty sure dueling with the intent to kill was still legal in parts of Germany till about 1910.
So within the context of a theatrical production it isn't too bad.
In a real sword fight, using what I saw them do, either one would have been dead in a couple of minutes but they looked massively better than say Arnie or Mel.
And all you non-swordies can wake up now, technical analysis over
kisses
willowfall
That long?
willowfall
Senator
That long?
Well nobody dies immediately and a dying person can actually fight on quite a bit longer. One of the complaints the British army had during the Victorian period was that their rifle and pistol bullets didn't had enough striking power. The silly savages they were fighting didn't realize they were dying and kept on coming.
It is the reason that weapons like the Le Matt pistol and the Martini-Henry Rifle (having fired one of those bastards it is going to stop a small tank never mind a human) were invented.
Besides you never try to kill your opponent right off the bat. It is called the 'Art of DEFENSE' for a reason. Your first several attacks should be designed to figure out what will work and what won't. There are still existing very old films of dueling Masters from the 19th century engaged in a duel and what you see is them standing there, in measure making very subtle moves to try and figure out what will and will not work. In some cases the duel ends without a single attack being launched because they both realize they probably can not defeat the other.
You win a sword fight by letting your opponent make a mistake you can exploit not by hacking your way in there.
kisses
willowfall
Gibbs505
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Yes I have a friend who has a Martini Henry that is chambered for the 577/450 cartridge, it truly is a beast and hurts more to shoot then the 505 Gibbs I had. LOL.
I was interested in your analysis as I have read that Stewart Grainger was well tutored in the british stage school of fencing and was one of the best of his time!
I agree, not a self defence style and he, like me, would likely die quickly in combat! Ok I would die quicker as he would know how to hold the sword!
Thanks for your patience and I shall trouble you no more on these matters.
BTW are you familiar with "By The Sword" by Richard Cohen. It is a history of sword fighting.
I was interested in your analysis as I have read that Stewart Grainger was well tutored in the british stage school of fencing and was one of the best of his time!
I agree, not a self defence style and he, like me, would likely die quickly in combat! Ok I would die quicker as he would know how to hold the sword!
Thanks for your patience and I shall trouble you no more on these matters.
BTW are you familiar with "By The Sword" by Richard Cohen. It is a history of sword fighting.