And it’s deserved too. I meant the above as a general statement.
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montycrusto
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I find myself in agreement with both @windar and @Barbaria1 ... I do think there's a lot of useless repetition of the same images over and over again ( no doubt, occasionally by me 
) and maybe some of the most picture-heavy threads are not even relevant to the site.. though I'm happy to led the admins decide that. I don't really want stuff banned and axed though, this is an open and welcoming community, and I wouldn't want it to become "members only" in any sense. I donate irregularly and could probably give more, I will try to do better.
) and maybe some of the most picture-heavy threads are not even relevant to the site.. though I'm happy to led the admins decide that. I don't really want stuff banned and axed though, this is an open and welcoming community, and I wouldn't want it to become "members only" in any sense. I donate irregularly and could probably give more, I will try to do better.
windar
Teller of Tales
I hate to disagree with my illustrious collaborator (OK, not really, Barb and I enjoy a good
If I go to just the first two pages in Fantasy Unlimited, there are many very large threads that contain nothing but nudes or endless streams of pics that are posted elsewhere. These are active threads, with new posts almost daily. They must contribute greatly to the hosting costs.
If hosting these threads were free, then I would say "Fine!" The attitude here is generally, "If you don't like a thread, don't look." I don't, but I also don't want to pay for them, especially when all those photos could be just as well exhibited with links. This isn't a matter of taste, but of economics, I'm afraid.
Added : Just to be clear: NO CENSORSHIP is needed. People can post all of those pics, but as a LINK, which will use negligible bandwidth.
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At risk of either agreeing or disagreeing with everyone so far, I think all these issues are worthy of consideration and discussion. As Barb has noted, the moderators are also concerned about the large amounts of "third party" content reposted from other sites. Links are an idea. We have been discouraging the "mirroring" of videos from porn sites.
That said the immediate issue, and potentially the most urgent one, is the ongoing funding of the forums themselves. We do not want to discourage people from joining, and donations ideally would remain voluntary. That said, we need people to volunteer to do so, even if they can only manage $5 or 5 Euros or whatever.
If you can do it, please consider donating, because clearly those of us who currently make regular donations are not enough to cover the whole thing each month. We may likely need a new funding strategy, but until such time as we have one, if we want this place to keep going, some more people are needed in the ranks of those who visit regularly and often, and who help keep us going.
That said the immediate issue, and potentially the most urgent one, is the ongoing funding of the forums themselves. We do not want to discourage people from joining, and donations ideally would remain voluntary. That said, we need people to volunteer to do so, even if they can only manage $5 or 5 Euros or whatever.
If you can do it, please consider donating, because clearly those of us who currently make regular donations are not enough to cover the whole thing each month. We may likely need a new funding strategy, but until such time as we have one, if we want this place to keep going, some more people are needed in the ranks of those who visit regularly and often, and who help keep us going.
I am happy that I was able to initiate a small discussion with my contribution. I am also against a membership fee and think censorship should really only take place when it is absolutely necessary, for example when content is posted that our forum could get into legal difficulties.
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
I give $20 US a month, regularly, but not under my member name because I only have one PayPal account which I don't use all that much. (The $20 is net of the PayPal fee. I also don't like PayPal because I loathe Peter Thiel.) I can easily afford that, although I am not quite a plutocrat. One must realize, however, that there is a lot of hurt in this world and things like Doctors Without Borders need money too (and get much more from me than the forum does). I look on this as an "entertainment" expense, and I hope that what I have posted in the past is interesting to people and not simply frivolous. I don't want to be on a donor list--for one, I think there is way too much grandstanding in this world.
I appreciate the efforts of all who keep the forum running.
I don't know what the solution is, but $20 a month is my solution and will remain so.
I haven't been very active of late, and am somewhat spartan with "likes". (I appreciate likes on my stuff, and maybe should be more active in awarding them.)
However this works out in the long term, I think this site is worthwhile, and I thank everyone (especially "Imagemaker") for their efforts. If the site ends up belly up, I will miss it (in particular the discussions it encourages). I also value the comments of non-English speakers, and have enjoyed in particular the "German and Austrian culture" stuff. It is good to step outside your country virtually and see how people in other places view things.
I don't like rape and BSDM particularly, but as others have said, this is a site for every taste, and if I don't have an interest in something I can just not look at it.
I appreciate the efforts of all who keep the forum running.
I don't know what the solution is, but $20 a month is my solution and will remain so.
I haven't been very active of late, and am somewhat spartan with "likes". (I appreciate likes on my stuff, and maybe should be more active in awarding them.)
However this works out in the long term, I think this site is worthwhile, and I thank everyone (especially "Imagemaker") for their efforts. If the site ends up belly up, I will miss it (in particular the discussions it encourages). I also value the comments of non-English speakers, and have enjoyed in particular the "German and Austrian culture" stuff. It is good to step outside your country virtually and see how people in other places view things.
I don't like rape and BSDM particularly, but as others have said, this is a site for every taste, and if I don't have an interest in something I can just not look at it.
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wulf
God-Emperor
I've never used paypal, how much is the fee?
Mileage seems to vary. I think for me there is a $2.50 "currency conversion" fee, but that is all.
wulf
God-Emperor
Ok, and thanks for the reply.
Collected almost 10% more.
The total amount is almost 90%.
We need to make a last effort to achieve the goal.
Will it work?
Thank you.
The total amount is almost 90%.
We need to make a last effort to achieve the goal.
Will it work?
Thank you.
PayPal is a strange payment system.
Sometimes payments come without a commission at all, and sometimes some small commission is present.
But this payment system works all over the world (almost) and is available to me.
When making a donation, be careful.
You need to make a payment (send funds), NOT a request to receive funds.
And it is better to do it in US dollars.
You need to make a payment (send funds), NOT a request to receive funds.
And it is better to do it in US dollars.
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The Fallen Angel
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Windar asked if the present system of begging for donations every month is sustainable. I do not believe it is. Every time we get close to the deadline with insufficient funds then I.M. has to decide whether to let the site close or stump up more money from his own pocket. If he lets the site close then how does he refund the members who have donated for that month? He has a recurring dilemma. Eventually the site would have to close permanently. If we are sticking with this funding method then we have to use every trick in the book. We have urgent reminders on our signatures, and a thermometer so people can easily see the state of the donations. I cannot see anything at all wrong with allowing people to have their screen name shown on a monthly donors list. Just because you are not on the list for that month does not imply that you do not donate.
I do not agree with members being allowed to post as much as they like of whatever they like. Imagine somebody posting one bus timetable after another, day after day. Not against the rules but some members do develop an obsession with wanting to add to their thread on a daily basis. I recently closed a thread with 1 263 downloaded pics like this .
I explained that the number of virtually identical pics was excessive and covered five pages. People could still download them if they so wished. Of course I received a PM crying Shame!..Disappointment!...and wanting a coherent explanation. I did not enter into an argument. When newcomers arrive on this site Fantasy Unlimited is one of the first threads they see. It sounds good but is often strewn with garbage collected from other sites. We don’t want to put off newcomers from helping the Forum. Also in Fantasy Unlimited I deleted a troll who was very much into necrophilia and seemed to be advertising for somebody to play with and a bloke who delighted in going to the toilet and taking selfies of him ramming a beer bottle up his ass. That is not covered in our rules either but I still censored it. Even when somebody does post something which violates our rules it is often not straightforward. I deleted two PDFs by a member and there was an almighty bloody row about censorship, freedom of speech and member’s rights. The PDFs were stories of child rape and torture. Some members threatened a mass walk out and the row went on behind the scenes leading to accusations and bad feeling.
I don’t think the amount of pics that people post is a major problem with regards costs. It is more what people post that is a bigger problem. To get back to the point. Are we going to sleepwalk into site closure or do something about it?
I do not agree with members being allowed to post as much as they like of whatever they like. Imagine somebody posting one bus timetable after another, day after day. Not against the rules but some members do develop an obsession with wanting to add to their thread on a daily basis. I recently closed a thread with 1 263 downloaded pics like this .
I explained that the number of virtually identical pics was excessive and covered five pages. People could still download them if they so wished. Of course I received a PM crying Shame!..Disappointment!...and wanting a coherent explanation. I did not enter into an argument. When newcomers arrive on this site Fantasy Unlimited is one of the first threads they see. It sounds good but is often strewn with garbage collected from other sites. We don’t want to put off newcomers from helping the Forum. Also in Fantasy Unlimited I deleted a troll who was very much into necrophilia and seemed to be advertising for somebody to play with and a bloke who delighted in going to the toilet and taking selfies of him ramming a beer bottle up his ass. That is not covered in our rules either but I still censored it. Even when somebody does post something which violates our rules it is often not straightforward. I deleted two PDFs by a member and there was an almighty bloody row about censorship, freedom of speech and member’s rights. The PDFs were stories of child rape and torture. Some members threatened a mass walk out and the row went on behind the scenes leading to accusations and bad feeling.I don’t think the amount of pics that people post is a major problem with regards costs. It is more what people post that is a bigger problem. To get back to the point. Are we going to sleepwalk into site closure or do something about it?
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
Yes, there is sometimes a currency fee. I pay 1.72 on $20, so 8.6 percent. I assume much of that is the third-party credit card fee. A friend of mine uses it to pay bills via transfer from a dedicated bank account. He puts just enough money in each time to cover the bill, so no one can hack the account and clean it out. (I can monitor the card and in the United States by law your losses for unauthorized charges are capped at $50--thank you Senator Proxmire.) He says that is almost free. I assume they charge ImageMaker as well. You can get a credit card from them, of course, and every time you use PayPal you get e-mails with marvelous offers.
I got this years ago to buy some videos from Ramon Martinez (which he rents now instead of sells). I am not keen to use it for anything else.
Frank Petrexa
Tribune
Well, nobody likes the police. As I said, I appreciate all the work that people do to keep this site going.
Kathy
Terra Nova Tramp
I stopped posting photos but understand why people do soI find myself in agreement with both @windar and @Barbaria1 ... I do think there's a lot of useless repetition of the same images over and over again ( no doubt, occasionally by me
windar
Teller of Tales
The only sources of funds for websites that I can think of are:
1. Advertising. That's made billionaires of Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Larry Page, Jack Dorsey et al. But then look at what their sites have become. Besides, who would advertise on CF? Nailus Martyrs?
2. Subscriptions. That's how most news sites operate now. You can see a few articles, but then you have to pay. IM said the amount needed is around $ 350/month which comes out to around $ 4,000/year. There are 26,000 members. If 15% joined at $10/year, we'd have enough. And that would be fair, in that everyone would be giving something.
3. Donations. Melissa has covered that.
Look, I've been here long enough to be able to say that this site is VERY resistant to change. But when the alternative is death (figuratively speaking) it tends to concentrate the mind. Surely a web site dedicated to various methods of execution should understand that...
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montycrusto
Guest
I really don't want CF to die.. If there were a subscription I would join it. You might have to call it a Domscription though, just saying. 
messaline
Crucified Amazon
I've had some problems with PayPal ...
I wonder what are the other solutions to donate ...