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Historical Basis for Casually Nude or Topless Slave/Harem Girls
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Baron Von Sade
Governor
nah, this doesn't bother me. In their own homes, the display of their breasts is both acceptable and beautiful.
Cruxpassion
Magistrate
I think that this question mainly comes up 1) because of our civilization and history, and 2) climatic issues. Wearing clothes has always been necessary in all colder regions of the world where most of the current 'highly civilized' countries are situated and from which - at least during the latest history - civilization was spread across the planet.
In general and still today, nudity is regarded rather as normal in small 'less civilized' cultures and in warmer regions. Just think of small tribes in Africa, the Amazone, New Guinea or throughout the Pacific Islands.
In most of the great ancient cultures (as long as these lived in warmer regions of the world) nudity, physicalness and bodily liberality have also not really been an issue (Greek, Romans, Egyptians, Maya...just to name a few).
Thus, I think that revealing scenes like they are shown e.g. in the Spartacus series were not at all unusual and not always in direct manner of sexuality.
In general and still today, nudity is regarded rather as normal in small 'less civilized' cultures and in warmer regions. Just think of small tribes in Africa, the Amazone, New Guinea or throughout the Pacific Islands.
In most of the great ancient cultures (as long as these lived in warmer regions of the world) nudity, physicalness and bodily liberality have also not really been an issue (Greek, Romans, Egyptians, Maya...just to name a few).
Thus, I think that revealing scenes like they are shown e.g. in the Spartacus series were not at all unusual and not always in direct manner of sexuality.
MahaShiva
Magistrate
Can't be too bad if you socialize with Ivanka Trump or Finnegan Biden instead of Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton.
dfg42
Consul
Actually most female breasts are not ugly, I know from my nude swimming actions I know 3 at least around 70 year old females which even have beautiful ones, guess that is why they showed them to me and do not forget Grace Jones.Can't be too bad if you socialize with Ivanka Trump or Finnegan Biden instead of Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton.
What consider politicians, I do not look at these disgusting persons at all. There is one exception, which is Michelle Obama, since it was with some acceptable reasoning, said she is a transgender, I expect her to show off fully nude, else she is disgusting.
geolier
Tribune
I am not sure, but I think the damnation of sex - and therefore bare breasts or total nudity - is a result of the ideas of old catholic men.
dfg42
Consul
Well, don't think it is the old and catholic which ist the problem, else it would not be that young and islamic men also co strange things with their women. I guess it is a matter of controlling both males and females by a slavery regime, that also explains my concern with masques against non-problematic viruses. Well lets better look at how male and females should be dressed properly.
Barefoot Bondmaid
Guard
Anything that makes slaves remember their place is fine by me, and should probably be encouraged.
geolier
Tribune
Well said. Let's change it to "old men, saying they have strong connections to "God" ", and that they are knowing the only and single true truth.
dfg42
Consul
yes and a twisted connection, since it is obviously a god which did not create the human body and the human sexuality (it includes homosexuality).
Well, the reaction against nudity in the Roman Empire more or less coincides with the triumph of Christianity, though it may not have been simple cause and effect, rather two aspects of a more general shift in 'mentality'. Similar attitudes were present earlier among the Jews, and in the Persian Empire - it may well have accompanied the spread of influence from those regions into the eastern Empire (which was by far the most populous, prosperous part), and thence, with Christianity, into the west. Islamic puritanism has similar roots.
dfg42
Consul
But do not forget, that "barbarians" liked to attack roman legion in the nude, long before christianity. Also how about nude athletics, was that considered positive or negative?
I think you've misunderstood me - yes (in very broad terms, over-simplifying), in Egypt, Greece and Italy, nudity or near-nudity were okay for quite a long time BC and into AD- it was only from about the 4th century that attitudes changed.
dfg42
Consul
No. I am just not sure, if the prudish attitude was not introduced by the Roman Empire, not the christians. For the christians speaks, that the jews were against nudity.... But, it seems that Jacob and his sons seems to came to Egypt to see the Pharao masturbating into the Nile, well probably one should consider more who profits from overdressed people.
There's a great deal of evidence, from the Babylonian Talmud (from the 5th century BC) on, through Rabbinical writings and midrash, for Jewish fear of nudity, long before Christianity appeared on the scene. It may have been a reaction against what the exiles encountered in Babylon, I suppose.
windar
Teller of Tales
Even cultures with no exposure (pun intended) to the monotheistic religions, like pre-Columbian America, generally wore clothes, even in tropical regions. The vast majority of cultures at least cover the genitals in daily life. I believe that included their slaves as well (many tribes held slaves, captured members of other tribes).
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Greate Pier
Guest
As far as I know not only slaves but also women of low birth (e.g. Rodiya in Ceylon, Kerala in India) had to go topless. The men were forbidden to have a moustache. At some time a breast tax is supposed to have been levied in the Indian state of Kerala (if a woman insisted to have her upper body covered.) It is said that as a girl grew up a tax collecter came to check the size of the breasts and so the sum of the tax. Don't know for sure if that was all true. It is however remarkable that photo's depicting slave women always show topless or nude women.
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Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
There is of course the fact that it's much more difficult (though perhaps not impossible) for a naked person to carry a concealed weapon, so one can imagine certain scenarios (such as slaves or prisoners being brought before someone of authority) where it might be desirable not to have them clothed
Barefoot Bondmaid
Guard
I continue to be impressed by average level of scholarship in these forums. But yes, there are all kinds of caste-based regulations re clothing in India, since time immemorial. For instance regarding footwear among the Dalit.