Historical Basis for Casually Nude or Topless Slave/Harem Girls

[dfg42]

There is of course the fact that it's much more difficult (though perhaps not impossible) for a naked person to carry a concealed weapon, so one can imagine certain scenarios (such as slaves or prisoners being brought before someone of authority) where it might be desirable not to have them clothed

Yes, one should consider to define naturist zones, where could be wars, say in the Near East. Since it is quite warm there, that could be an idea for the whole Near East. I know that some time Hooligans (mainly from east Europe) brought their forbidden flares into the stadium in the lower digestive part, anyway you have to be careful, since police can not distinguish your sex toys from weapons anyway https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ually-dildo-designed-look-like-explosive.html

 

[dfg42]

It is said that as a girl grew up a tax collecter came to check the size of the breasts and so the sum of the tax. Don't know for sure if that was all true. It is however remarkable that photo's depicting slave women always show topless or nude women.

I would surely prefer to go nude instead of paying tax, considering the size on my penis it is clear that those taxes would be very small anyway. To be sure I recommend to go out at cold weather only.

 

[Darkprincess69]

Yes, one should consider to define naturist zones, where could be wars, say in the Near East. Since it is quite warm there, that could be an idea for the whole Near East. I know that some time Hooligans (mainly from east Europe) brought their forbidden flares into the stadium in the lower digestive part, anyway you have to be careful, since police can not distinguish your sex toys from weapons anyway https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ually-dildo-designed-look-like-explosive.html

And they weren't the slightest bit curious as to why a bunch of footie thugs were attending a game wearing butt plugs?
I mean I know the police aren't generally the sharpest tools in the box, but that's right up there with the US Air Force not being able to tell the difference between a flying saucer and a weather balloon

 

[dfg42]

And they weren't the slightest bit curious as to why a bunch of footie thugs were attending a game wearing butt plugs?
I mean I know the police aren't generally the sharpest tools in the box, but that's right up there with the US Air Force not being able to tell the difference between a flying saucer and a weather balloon

Fear is the explanation of all.

 

[dfg42]

I would surely prefer to go nude instead of paying tax, considering the size on my penis it is clear that those taxes would be very small anyway. To be sure I recommend to go out at cold weather only.

I see here future tax payers.

 

[Cella]

Well, don't think it is the old and catholic which ist the problem, else it would not be that young and islamic men also co strange things with their women. I guess it is a matter of controlling both males and females by a slavery regime, that also explains my concern with masques against non-problematic viruses. Well lets better look at how male and females should be dressed properly.

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As a maturing girl I would have died if my father ever saw me naked! But if you grow up in a nudist family it all seems perfectly natural. My parents were far from being prudes but this is, well -- unthinkable. Although now I'm quite willing to take it all off around other people (in the appropriate settings).

As far as nudity of slaves in TV shows (like Spartacus), it's done to attract viewers, I'm sure. It seems only young and attractive girls are the ones with their boobs on display.

 

[Baron Von Sade]

It seems only young and attractive girls are the ones with their boobs on display.

It's curious cause there was only a ONE old, larger female slave in that show, and she seemed to be the woman that corralled the houseslaves. (I think she wasn't even in the first season). The curious thing is that the slave nudity got less and less as the show went on. In the first couple episodes there was loads of topless slaves walking around. After that it was only done when an occasion called for it.

 

[Cella]

It's curious cause there was only a ONE old, larger female slave in that show, and she seemed to be the woman that corralled the houseslaves. (I think she wasn't even in the first season). The curious thing is that the slave nudity got less and less as the show went on. In the first couple episodes there was loads of topless slaves walking around. After that it was only done when an occasion called for it.

Lucy Lawless and Viva Bianca who played two upperclass Roman women also had nude scenes. Lots of beautifully muscled men also! ( )

 

[Baron Von Sade]

Lucy Lawless and Viva Bianca who played two upperclass Roman women also had nude scenes. Lots of beautifully muscled men also! ( )

LOTS! I love that show!

I still find it incredible that Lucy Lawless never did nudity before that show. And she was in her 40s. And she was/is fucking gorgeous.

 

[dfg42]

As a maturing girl I would have died if my father ever saw me naked! But if you grow up in a nudist family it all seems perfectly natural. My parents were far from being prudes but this is, well -- unthinkable. Although now I'm quite willing to take it all off around other people (in the appropriate settings).

That is so interesting to build in into a story pointing out the humiliation aspect. I really could not match that in any way with my personal history, even if we were far away from being a naturist family. We never touched us, we never were together nude.

As far as nudity of slaves in TV shows (like Spartacus), it's done to attract viewers, I'm sure. It seems only young and attractive girls are the ones with their boobs on display.

Yes and it makes it so ridiculous to see all these fake ones---- ev en if then some are real, they are nor real anymore because some were faked.....

 

[dfg42]

As a maturing girl I would have died if my father ever saw me naked!

That picture reminded me on your statement: Mother/Doghter dressed, son nude



And naturally it was strangely usual that males bathed nude, females nude.

 

[Silent_Water]

You may know that I am very interested in ancient cultures and the history of one of them makes me sad and sick the more I learn and know about this special one.
It was the Minoan culture before the ancient Greeks arrived and probably the whole European history would have been different if it would not have been - most probably - destroyed by the volcanic eruption of Thera / Santorini:

Minoan eruption - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Minoan culture which was destroyed around this time of around 1540 B.C. - and which probably also was the reason for the legend of Atlantis - had some very remarkable characteristics which seemed to be part of a matriachalic society in which the women were the leading and most important members of the society.
In all other king's palaces of those times (e.g. Egypt, India) there are usually scenes of war in which other people are defeated or subdued etc.
In the palaces of the Minoan culture, there are no signs of wars at all, there are children playing at the Mediterranean coast with dolphins, women in beautiful colored bare breast costumes are collecting flowers ...



... and it seems that these were at least the costumes for celebration days!

The art of painting was one of the highest developed of all the cultures in those times.

Minoan art - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And such costumes of women were most probably a standard at least for younger women in order to show their beauty in this Minoan times:



I really would have liked to live in this Minoan culture but it was probably destroyed in one of the most terrible series of tsunamis in human history.
Archaelogists found on some places of Crete skeletons of humans and animals mixed wildly together with debris of houses and harbor elements in a height of 20 metres up above the sea level of today's Mediterranean Sea and the only explanation up to now is a tsunami around 1540 B.C or earlier.

If God ever existed and I had the opportunity to ask him a question, I would like to ask him first why this culture had to be destroyed in such a terrible way.

 

[Cella]

You may know that I am very interested in ancient cultures and the history of one of them makes me sad and sick the more I learn and know about this special one.
It was the Minoan culture before the ancient Greeks arrived and probably the whole European history would have been different if it would not have been - most probably - destroyed by the volcanic eruption of Thera / Santorini:

Minoan eruption - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Minoan culture which was destroyed around this time of around 1540 B.C. - and which probably also was the reason for the legend of Atlantis - had some very remarkable characteristics which seemed to be part of a matriachalic society in which the women were the leading and most important members of the society.
In all other king's palaces of those times (e.g. Egypt, India) there are usually scenes of war in which other people are defeated or subdued etc.
In the palaces of the Minoan culture, there are no signs of wars at all, there are children playing at the Mediterranean coast with dolphins, women in beautiful colored bare breast costumes are collecting flowers ...

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... and it seems that these were at least the costumes for celebration days!

The art of painting was one of the highest developed of all the cultures in those times.

Minoan art - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And such costumes of women were most probably a standard at least for younger women in order to show their beauty in this Minoan times:

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I really would have liked to live in this Minoan culture but it was probably destroyed in one of the most terrible series of tsunamis in human history.
Archaelogists found on some places of Crete skeletons of humans and animals mixed wildly together with debris of houses and harbor elements in a height of 20 metres up above the sea level of today's Mediterranean Sea and the only explanation up to now is a tsunami around 1540 B.C or earlier.

If God ever existed and I had the opportunity to ask him a question, I would like to ask him first why this culture had to be destroyed in such a terrible way.

Matriarchial society, hmm. OK. Maybe better than the usual patriarchial way. But breast-revealing dresses!? Had to be a bunch of guys behind that idea!

"OK ladies, we'll let you be in charge (wink, wink) but you have to keep your boobs out. Do we have a deal?"

"What's that? Yes, you'll do it. Yes! Yes! Yes!"

"Dude, like best idea ever! Gimme five!"

"Whoa! Wait a sec. No granny titties! Gotta draw a line somewhere."

"Gee, I never thought they'd go for that! Let's push our luck and ask about pussies."

 

[Silent_Water]

Dear Marcella,

it is very sad that you try to destroy my nicest illusions ...
... because you think about male ulterior motives to be the only reason for Minoan women to wear breast-revealing dresses.
But it is a historical truth that some special parts of human bodies have been shown more or less in different times of human history:

History of the cleavage - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there are stories and reports even from ancient cultures of some "incidents" which are surprising because you would not expect them to happen in such a culture because you have heard different stories from especially these times.

I know a story of a rather rich and beautiful girl from Athen's high society around the times of Perikles - around 450 B.C. - when Athens was regarded to be the leading Greek city in politics, architecture, art and fashion - contrary and occasional enemy to Sparta, which was a militarized society no one of us today would ever have liked to live in.
Women usually did not participate in any way in politics - not in Athens, never in Sparta - but as we know from "Xanthippe", they always found a way to influence men if they wanted to.

This special "high society girl" in my story aroused some interest in her time when she once saw a young man working at Athen's harbour which also had sandy beaches.
We can assume by the following story that he was a free and very good-looking but rather poor young man because he was working at the harbour whereas she did not really need to work.

In any case, one evening, when he had finished his tasks, she came up to him, asked him a bit about his work and his life and then, she surprised him by asking what he thought about her sandals which she made on her own - or which were made according to her special wishes - especially for walking across sandy beaches like this one.
He was surprised but he looked on them, said to her, they are very beautiful and very unusual.
She thanked him for his politeness, said she would be glad to meet him once again, said good-bye, turned around and walked away.

Everyone who watched her footsteps now, could see that flat nails in her sandals' soles left an inscription in the sand when she walked away:
Left shoe: FOLLOW ME ... right shoe: IF YOU WANT !

Unfortunately, the rest of this story does not tell us at all, why this girl wanted to be followed by a good-looking young man or if this special beautiful looking young man followed her immediately. We can also only speculate if the obsession of women for shoes or for something what they wear on their feet is a kind of genetical determination of women.

But the following year, such sandals were said to be very much in fashion in Athens until the city council did not allow them any more to be sold for young girls.

Again, we certainly do not really know why this decision was made, but we can assume that the high society girl who invented such sandals would have had a lot of followers on Twitter.

 

[dfg42]

Matriarchial society, hmm. OK. Maybe better than the usual patriarchial way. But breast-revealing dresses!? Had to be a bunch of guys behind that idea!
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"Whoa! Wait a sec. No granny titties! Gotta draw a line somewhere."

Probably I told you dear crux-friends allready, but I was rather regularly doing some nude skinny dipping with a 71 year old female. What I saw there are some very good-looking "granny titties", while some younger girl ones would let me climb the nearest tree and I am somewhat over 100kg. So age does not really is a quality sign for tits....

 

[Serva]

No, slaves in Roman households (Republic and Empire) did not customarily work naked or topless, even if nudity was not as taboo. Underdressed slaves were a sign of poverty (of the owner). House slaves wore the same clothing as poor, free people. Tunics for the men and dresses (basically just a longer tunic) for women.

They were sold naked but house slaves would've been overwhelmingly cheaply clothed.

Cato the Elder wrote about providing clothing for his slaves.

Spartacus even though it's an inspiration for my fantasies is grossly ahistorical when it comes to artistic design. The clothing of the Roman men seems alright but that of the Roman women (and their hairstyles) are pretty much made up for the show. Same for the clothing or lack thereof of the slaves shown there. In real Rome, Not even prostitutes (almost always slaves) were exhibited naked. They wore togas (ordinarily for citizen men) as a transgressive, kinky signal.

When it comes to Islamic harems the women of the Mughal zenankhana (harem) wore sheer, almost transparent fabrics when inside, but as for other times and places in Islamic history it seems slave-concubines dressed like high-status women, so not revealingly at all, even in private.

 

[Cella]

Dear Marcella,

it is very sad that you try to destroy my nicest illusions ...
... because you think about male ulterior motives to be the only reason for Minoan women to wear breast-revealing dresses.
But it is a historical truth that some special parts of human bodies have been shown more or less in different times of human history:

History of the cleavage - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there are stories and reports even from ancient cultures of some "incidents" which are surprising because you would not expect them to happen in such a culture because you have heard different stories from especially these times.

I know a story of a rather rich and beautiful girl from Athen's high society around the times of Perikles - around 450 B.C. - when Athens was regarded to be the leading Greek city in politics, architecture, art and fashion - contrary and occasional enemy to Sparta, which was a militarized society no one of us today would ever have liked to live in.
Women usually did not participate in any way in politics - not in Athens, never in Sparta - but as we know from "Xanthippe", they always found a way to influence men if they wanted to.

This special "high society girl" in my story aroused some interest in her time when she once saw a young man working at Athen's harbour which also had sandy beaches.
We can assume by the following story that he was a free and very good-looking but rather poor young man because he was working at the harbour whereas she did not really need to work.

In any case, one evening, when he had finished his tasks, she came up to him, asked him a bit about his work and his life and then, she surprised him by asking what he thought about her sandals which she made on her own - or which were made according to her special wishes - especially for walking across sandy beaches like this one.
He was surprised but he looked on them, said to her, they are very beautiful and very unusual.
She thanked him for his politeness, said she would be glad to meet him once again, said good-bye, turned around and walked away.

Everyone who watched her footsteps now, could see that flat nails in her sandals' soles left an inscription in the sand when she walked away:
Left shoe: FOLLOW ME ... right shoe: IF YOU WANT !

Unfortunately, the rest of this story does not tell us at all, why this girl wanted to be followed by a good-looking young man or if this special beautiful looking young man followed her immediately. We can also only speculate if the obsession of women for shoes or for something what they wear on their feet is a kind of genetical determination of women.

But the following year, such sandals were said to be very much in fashion in Athens until the city council did not allow them any more to be sold for young girls.

Again, we certainly do not really know why this decision was made, but we can assume that the high society girl who invented such sandals would have had a lot of followers on Twitter.

Just having a little fun with history Silent_Water. . .

 

[Silent_Water]

I really love your kind of humour! I did not laugh so much about one posting for a long time!