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How severe/dangerous are whippings?

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Birch4females said:
I believe that in the few countries where corporal punishment is used, no one understands how it should be done properly (except maybe Singapore and Malaysia, but even there only men are punished). I hate to see, for example, how women are punished in Islamic countries - it is a brutal and unprofessional beating. How it should happen is perfectly illustrated by several so-called porn studio videos, such as pain4fem's "Judicial Caning" series or Mood Pictures' "South American Vacation", etc. I believe that in corporal punishment, especially for women, not only the physical pain from the stroke is very important, but also the whole procedure - nakedness, humiliation, shame, etc. All this creates fear of punishment. The next one - fans of back whipping may oppose me here, but I think that corporal punishment should be carried out directly on the bare buttocks - it is extremely painful, humiliating, because the bottom, at least in modern western culture, is an intimate part of the body and it is safe for the health of the person being punished. It is women's bottoms that are best suited - they are wider, rounder with a larger layer of fat and as if created for beating. The punishment procedure must be as long and humiliating as possible to be effective. These are my quick thoughts on a weekday morning, I would appreciate your views and comments. LETS MAKE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT GREAT AGAIN! :)
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I mostly agree, but if I’d be responsible to achieve mentioned goals, I couldn’t reason myself why not end the punishment with reasonable number of lashes between the legs, using suitable whip, which cause intense pain but no permanent harm.
 
My (limited) experience has taught me that alternating implements helps to maintain a level of excitement and pain but without inflicting serious injury or permanent marks. I like to use the cane quite hard across the buttocks but after three strokes I switch to a paddle as it's flat surface still creates excitement with it's noise on impact BUT it spreads the impact area and lessens the chance of severe bruising. Similar when using a belt, I like to use one with studs on it but use one without studs for 75% of the lashes, but I do like the final one to be the buckle end if possible
 
How long is a piece of rope?

I'm not sure bondage and sado-masochism are specifically 'meant' to be fun exactly (or not for everyone at least), but they can get this sub into 'subspace' for sure! People have different levels of interest in it, of pain tolerance and sado capability, and some have been doing this all their life. I know subs in their 80's.. yes literally more than one. Regarding the dangers, I have heard of things like popped pods (ouch I know), but honestly there is rugby on at the moment and someone in a coffee shop the other day was relating what he used to subject himself to every week in the name of sport. It really is down to the individual I think, and the general feeling on the scene is to always talk about a session first. There are fringe areas where some people seem to just about obey the law enough to keep out of trouble (doms on pigs and sometimes the genuinely vulnerable - God knows what goes on in some dark corners of life) - but extremity can happen so in many areas of life of course. There is likely a 'branch' of bdsm that offers nothing sexual at all for either party. Enjoy the roleplay, as most people say (if there indeed is any in what you are doing), but keep it human and don't take any unecessary risks. Certainly never do what you really don't want to do.
 
KageKamen said:
Not sure if this is the right forum, but....

I've recently been having a bit of a debate about what level of whipping is appropriate for various crimes in a totalitarian country. And when I think of more classic slavery situations, the image of slaves suffering a good many lashes comes to mind. At the same time, I know the Bible capped whippings at thirty-nine lashes because more might kill... though obviously there were people in the American South and so on who survived many more.

So assuming an average whip, how dangerous/painful/incapacitating are various amounts of flogging? And how is this changed by variation of tools and presence/absence of modern medicine?

Edit: Apparently the other person was thinking of a rattan cane - they're used in their country - so how do canings compare?
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I'd say rule #1 is never ever let an amateur whip you. They can do severe damage in the hands of a fool.
After that, as mentioned above, lots comes down to tolerance. Personally I never take another's word for it until I've found out for myself-too any people claim vast experience only to have them turn into a sobbing mess at a mere slap. Turns out my definition of lots of pain is seriously different than most others.
Same holds true for caning. They can be vicious things when misused . But I love them for the wide variety of blows they allow, ranging anywhere from a soft soothing massage like level to skin splitting permanent marks.
I should know having given multiple symposiums on their use at clubs and workshops
Riding crops ate fun too, especially those with heads that can spread out the point of impact.
And darn near any whippy type thing can be used as a striking instrument in proper imaginative hands, I've used everything from dowel rods to the plastic things use to turn Venetian blinds Hard plastic is real fun, very flexible possessing good striking range, and it cuts like a motherfucker,
it can leave weals and raised welts that will have her in groaning in (wet) pain for days. I'm a big fan.

And I love, as in lovelovelove, leather belts
They're so damn erotic.

The zipping sound as I pull them off moving through the loops.The smell of her cunt juice and fear mingling in the air as her terror and need crest and meet
The shaky hands as she slips off her panties and presents that ass for a good beating.

Yeah, that's good times there. For her and Me.
Cathartic and combustible as the juice runs down her leg

Cripes, there's a reason I own 37 belts ranging from punk studded to rodeo aesthetic.
Dapper as I am, it's not all about fashion ya know...
 
ks9999 said:
I'd say rule #1 is never ever let an amateur whip you. They can do severe damage in the hands of a fool.
After that, as mentioned above, lots comes down to tolerance. Personally I never take another's word for it until I've found out for myself-too any people claim vast experience only to have them turn into a sobbing mess at a mere slap. Turns out my definition of lots of pain is seriously different than most others.
Same holds true for caning. They can be vicious things when misused . But I love them for the wide variety of blows they allow, ranging anywhere from a soft soothing massage like level to skin splitting permanent marks.
I should know having given multiple symposiums on their use at clubs and workshops
Riding crops ate fun too, especially those with heads that can spread out the point of impact.
And darn near any whippy type thing can be used as a striking instrument in proper imaginative hands, I've used everything from dowel rods to the plastic things use to turn Venetian blinds Hard plastic is real fun, very flexible possessing good striking range, and it cuts like a motherfucker,
it can leave weals and raised welts that will have her in groaning in (wet) pain for days. I'm a big fan.

And I love, as in lovelovelove, leather belts
They're so damn erotic.

The zipping sound as I pull them off moving through the loops.The smell of her cunt juice and fear mingling in the air as her terror and need crest and meet
The shaky hands as she slips off her panties and presents that ass for a good beating.

Yeah, that's good times there. For her and Me.
Cathartic and combustible as the juice runs down her leg

Cripes, there's a reason I own 37 belts ranging from punk studded to rodeo aesthetic.
Dapper as I am, it's not all about fashion ya know...
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The only problem with Rule #1 is that everyone is an amateur at one point. If you are new at wielding a cane, whip, belt or such start slow and easy. I'd rather hear, "You can go harder next time", then "Get away from me with that thing."
 
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kendelo said:
The only problem with Rule #1 is that everyone is an amateur at one point. If you are new at wielding a cane, whip, belt or such start slow and easy. I'd rather hear, "You can go harder next time", then "Get away from me with that thing."
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True that
I got lucky The first bitch I owned was when I was 18. She'd just gotten out of a 9 year TPE with two lesbians and was looking to explore. It was very educational. Everything I've ever learned was from slaves.
Ironic, eh?
 
ks9999 said:
True that
I got lucky The first bitch I owned was when I was 18. She'd just gotten out of a 9 year TPE with two lesbians and was looking to explore. It was very educational. Everything I've ever learned was from slaves.
Ironic, eh?
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With my late partner and I we learned as we went. She was more into being controlled and dominated as opposed to being a real pain slut. But she would suffer(within limits) to please Master. Like you said a cane is something that can do serious damage if wielded by a sadistic moron.
A rolled up kitchen towel wetted on the receiving end can leave welts.
 
It is not a simple question.
Speaking of BDSM.
Using the same kind of whip with a different kind of skin... I use a bullwhip and there are many differences.
You have to start slightly and then check the results.
Only after you and your whip partner will decide what to do according to your needs.
Speaking of corporal punishment in foreign countries I don't know. :)
 
Birch4females said:
I strongly believe that women should also be punished with the cane on their bare buttocks just like men. In addition, women's bottoms are even better suited for this due to their shape, size and structure.
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plus I tend to claim that it is good against cellulite ;)
 
ks9999 said:
I'd say rule #1 is never ever let an amateur whip you. They can do severe damage in the hands of a fool.
After that, as mentioned above, lots comes down to tolerance. Personally I never take another's word for it until I've found out for myself-too any people claim vast experience only to have them turn into a sobbing mess at a mere slap. Turns out my definition of lots of pain is seriously different than most others.
Same holds true for caning. They can be vicious things when misused . But I love them for the wide variety of blows they allow, ranging anywhere from a soft soothing massage like level to skin splitting permanent marks.
I should know having given multiple symposiums on their use at clubs and workshops
Riding crops ate fun too, especially those with heads that can spread out the point of impact.
And darn near any whippy type thing can be used as a striking instrument in proper imaginative hands, I've used everything from dowel rods to the plastic things use to turn Venetian blinds Hard plastic is real fun, very flexible possessing good striking range, and it cuts like a motherfucker,
it can leave weals and raised welts that will have her in groaning in (wet) pain for days. I'm a big fan.

And I love, as in lovelovelove, leather belts
They're so damn erotic.

The zipping sound as I pull them off moving through the loops.The smell of her cunt juice and fear mingling in the air as her terror and need crest and meet
The shaky hands as she slips off her panties and presents that ass for a good beating.

Yeah, that's good times there. For her and Me.
Cathartic and combustible as the juice runs down her leg

Cripes, there's a reason I own 37 belts ranging from punk studded to rodeo aesthetic.
Dapper as I am, it's not all about fashion ya know...
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Where I live, Venetian blinds don’t have plastic rods. Instead they are made on plastic coated spring steel, curled into tight helical shape. On the other words, almost solid steel but whippy as fuck.

While they are known to be used for whipping, a proper lashing strike would propably cut skin open with first hit, at least from very tip.
 
Stungiskhan said:
Where I live, Venetian blinds don’t have plastic rods. Instead they are made on plastic coated spring steel, curled into tight helical shape. On the other words, almost solid steel but whippy as fuck.

While they are known to be used for whipping, a proper lashing strike would propably cut skin open with first hit, at least from very tip.
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You say that like it's a bad thing :)

In all seriousness, I'm really well versed in striking with thuddy things. As a kid I took martial arts up to to brown belt and then spent two years learning weapons combat, handling things like katana's, nunchako's, bo sticks and such.
I've given classes and presentations on caning and I'm a trained knife fighter so I'm really comfortable handling such things. I'm quite fond of power tools, nail guns, staple guns and such.
I've owned a few LPN's and RN's as well as a crime scene tech over the years who had lots of ER and CCU experience and they gave hella good instruction on what was safe and what wasn't, lessons I took firmly to heart.
Hell, I'm the only person I know who keeps a belt sander in my bag of doom. It's so much fun, if for no other reason than it's a fantastic piece of mindfuckery.
Pull that baby out and watch her eyes glaze over and go gaga. It's outright wonderful witnessing the mental gymnastics she goes through after first sight
 
ks9999 said:
You say that like it's a bad thing :)

In all seriousness, I'm really well versed in striking with thuddy things. As a kid I took martial arts up to to brown belt and then spent two years learning weapons combat, handling things like katana's, nunchako's, bo sticks and such.
I've given classes and presentations on caning and I'm a trained knife fighter so I'm really comfortable handling such things. I'm quite fond of power tools, nail guns, staple guns and such.
I've owned a few LPN's and RN's as well as a crime scene tech over the years who had lots of ER and CCU experience and they gave hella good instruction on what was safe and what wasn't, lessons I took firmly to heart.
Hell, I'm the only person I know who keeps a belt sander in my bag of doom. It's so much fun, if for no other reason than it's a fantastic piece of mindfuckery.
Pull that baby out and watch her eyes glaze over and go gaga. It's outright wonderful witnessing the mental gymnastics she goes through after first sight
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My imagination don't go as far as using a belt sander, but who haven't tried triangular vibrating sanders or bigger rectangular ones, if happen to own one. Especially triangular ones are like Hitachi on steroids, and sandpaper on skin is not actually too bad as it grabs the skin and pull it back and forth. Longer use I'd recommend something less aggressive. They have velcro strip under the paper, so that can be quite nasty for tender female bits. Using the triangular tip sideways is closer to torture. Good ones go as high as 18000 vibrations per minute with 8mm movement length and cheap ones do around 12000-14000 vpm.
 
Stungiskhan said:
My imagination don't go as far as using a belt sander, but who haven't tried triangular vibrating sanders or bigger rectangular ones, if happen to own one. Especially triangular ones are like Hitachi on steroids, and sandpaper on skin is not actually too bad as it grabs the skin and pull it back and forth. Longer use I'd recommend something less aggressive. They have velcro strip under the paper, so that can be quite nasty for tender female bits. Using the triangular tip sideways is closer to torture. Good ones go as high as 18000 vibrations per minute with 8mm movement length and cheap ones do around 12000-14000 vpm.
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Ahhh, but lemme tell you. Once she knows you do real extreme stuff, not just talk it like so many do, but after you've done something like nail her tit to the table, there's so much room for fun.

In the end, the mind is the biggest sex organ we have and it's far and away my favorite sandbox to play in. Having planted the seeds of extreme edge play, all you have to do is pull put something nuts, like a belt sander or soldering iron, put it on the nightstand, and it's mere presence changes a scene dramatically. You don't even have to say a word. Just grin a wicked grin and get that certain gleam in the eye to works wonders.

It's all downhill from there. No matter what I do in that play, there's gonna be a part of her mind on the power tool, and she's gonna be thinking, "What the hell is that lunatic going to do with that?" And pretty much anything less than that can be pulled off and she'll be darn grateful. Things like thanking me for using her rectum as an ashtray become easy and hell, play your cards right, and she'll beg you to do it instead of using the torch.
Yeah, I'm a Master Bastard. But then again, no one gets bored playing with me, no matter how long we've been together.
Within reasonable bounds, fear can be a most wonderful toy. Not terror. Not trauma, but just plain old fear.
It's amazing how far a reputation can carry you after only a few very drastic moves. Damn lovely in my book.

Refined evil isn't easy. It takes work, dedication, and imagination. It's a hella balancing act to pull off. Requires artistry, discipline, and finesse.
But all this is just MHO and all and my default state is barking mad so other than four decades experience, WTH do I know? :cool:
 
If the skin remains intact, how many lashes are realistically, the maximum before the body is damaged, I am writing a story about a modern slave that is sentenced to 500 lash divided as her future owner sees fit. Both the onwer and the slave want that part of the sentence to be over so the slave can be breed. Any ideas?
 
It depends on the whip, the whipper, and the technique. There is no reason one could not deliver hundreds of lashes with a short, soft whip that just reddens the skin, especially if the lashes are spread all over the body.

IMHO, however, a whipping without blood (or a crucifixion without nails) is like sex without an orgasm. Why bother if you are going to stop before it gets interesting?

My recommendation is to establish an objective measure for when to stop your slave’s whipping. As a punishment, there should probably be a permanent mark. How about whipping until the skin is broken in some number of places?
 
202x said:
My recommendation is to establish an objective measure for when to stop your slave’s whipping. As a punishment, there should probably be a permanent mark. How about whipping until the skin is broken in some number of places?
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It's completely in madness ! I pratice BDSM and never I could accept to be marked for the life in any game ...
BDSM is made IN FIRST for pleasure and not to definitively spoil any body !
If you cant understand that, you've nothing to do in BDSM ...
 
Np81la said:
If the skin remains intact, how many lashes are realistically, the maximum before the body is damaged, I am writing a story about a modern slave that is sentenced to 500 lash divided as her future owner sees fit. Both the onwer and the slave want that part of the sentence to be over so the slave can be breed. Any ideas?
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I’ve taken 500 lashes in a single day, it’s entirely possible. We used a big variety of implements from floggers to a cat o nine tails through to a variety of single tails, culminating with a signal whip… it hurt a fair bit but I like that, and we were careful to only leave welts, no deep cuts of my skin.

And I’m not just talking light stripes, either, they were laid on quite heavy, if carefully. Obviously 500 hard lashes with, say, the weighted signal whip could indeed break skin and probably kill me. But my dominant was careful not to crack that into my skin, the only skin breakage was from the very top and just a few. I loved it so much!
 
*Clears throat.*
Uh has anyone seen Jim Caviezel’s character in Count of Monty Cristo? There is a particular scene where his back is exposed for but a moment with all these permanent scars on it.

Was I the only one who found it incredibly hot and wished for it to be so on my own body as well? >.<
 
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