Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Fair enough. I'm not complaining about it - I was just surprised to see it that's all
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Imgur will ban nudes from 15 May
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mp5stab
Hair and Nails
I had a guy on Reddit recently asked “who made this “ about a popular Alex Bald video. So there may be more positive and negative effects to having it reposted on the internet.
poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
Interesting point, mp5stab.
I know the same holds true for literature and popular music, also. There's a small silver lining in gaining publicity and exposure. But I've never met an author or a songwriter who felt that pirate sites (or plagiarism) had enough benefits to outweigh the loss of his/her work being publically shared without permission.
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
Yeah but there's a very large body of independent research that's been done over the years into the effects of piracy (in any medium, be it music, art, games, movies etc) on actual sales and as a general rule it's been found that while piracy gives corporations a convenient scapegoat, in actual fact it doesn't affect sales in any significant manner, since most of those who pirate stuff were never going to buy it in the first place, so this can't be factored in as a lost sale. That's particularly true with stuff like internet porn, since there's so much content out there that a lot of people just grab it because it's there, and rarely actually go searching for specific titles and so on.
And when it comes to music, the biggest piracy site on the planet is Youtube, since pretty much every song or even full album you could ever want is there to download for free. I've never failed to find any music I've ever wanted on Youtube...
poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
First, I'm not talking about corporations. I'm talking about how individual artists feel about copyright violation. And they don't like it. As the saying (about sex) goes, "If you can get the milk for free, why pay for it." No artist (writer, musician, etc.) wants to give away his/her art (the milk). Now, maybe some don't care about such sites as Motherless, and that laissez-faire attitude may be a function of being a pornographer. You're in no position to sue.
I think you have your facts wrong about YouTube and other music sites. As https://www.omarimc.com/music-streaming-royalty-calculator/ reports, they all pay. Now, in the old days of radio (pre-1970's) the stations did not pay the artists to play. It was considered exposure for the songs, and no one had the technology to record the songs off the radio anyway. (Side note: in fact, some stations were actually paid by the artists! It was called payola, and it was largely illegal.) I know this stuff well, having been a musician who --in the distant past-- professionally recorded a few modestly successful songs.
Darkprincess69
High Priestess of Slaanesh
I never said they didn't - I said that the consumer doesn't have to pay to get music from Youtube, but that notwithstanding, the fact is that from a consumers point of view, once you pay for your internet access, absolutely everything is out there for free if you know when to look, rightly or wrongly, that's just the way it is these days...
Sure there are streaming sites that you can pay to use, but why would anyone do that when Youtube has it all for free?
windar
Teller of Tales
The key point is not whether the consumer pays a fee per month or per download or whether the site is supported by advertising as YouTube is. The key point is whether the creators of the material get paid. YouTube and the "legitimate" sites have a formula to pay the artists that may be inadequate but is something that both parties have agreed to. The inadequacy is why bands that used to tour to promote their albums now release albums to promote their tours. Because the live experience can't be pirated.
Look, here on CF we have a group of people who work pretty hard to produce original art and literature which they share with members for free. Some of it is even not bad (my efforts excepted). I assume that most of them are in a position to do so because of various life circumstances, but as a general rule, people who create stuff need to be and deserved to be paid. If we don't do that, we will find that new creative works will dry up or be taken over by AI (not that someone doesn't have to pay to keep AI going)...
Look, here on CF we have a group of people who work pretty hard to produce original art and literature which they share with members for free. Some of it is even not bad (my efforts excepted). I assume that most of them are in a position to do so because of various life circumstances, but as a general rule, people who create stuff need to be and deserved to be paid. If we don't do that, we will find that new creative works will dry up or be taken over by AI (not that someone doesn't have to pay to keep AI going)...
Hornet1ba
Governor
I did pro-actively delete all my pictures hosted at Imgur before they were flagged by their robot or moderator.
I'm re-uploading all the deleted images gradually (5 per day)
Sorry about the confusion.
windar
Teller of Tales
If people want to know why Imgur, Tumblr, DA and other sites have taken the decisions they have regarding adult material, this may well explain it
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/02/pornhub-utah-block-social-media-age-verification
Porn sites can't get rid of porn, but "mixed' sites like those can. Given the risks of being sued, why wouldn't they? I'm old enough to remember the days when if you wanted adult material, you went to an "adult bookstore". We may be headed back at least somewhat in that direction. We all survived somehow...
For those who want to blame all the world's ills on the "woke mob", Utah and Louisiana are deep Red states. Their legislatures have been called many things, but "woke" isn't one of them.
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/02/pornhub-utah-block-social-media-age-verification
Porn sites can't get rid of porn, but "mixed' sites like those can. Given the risks of being sued, why wouldn't they? I'm old enough to remember the days when if you wanted adult material, you went to an "adult bookstore". We may be headed back at least somewhat in that direction. We all survived somehow...
For those who want to blame all the world's ills on the "woke mob", Utah and Louisiana are deep Red states. Their legislatures have been called many things, but "woke" isn't one of them.
Luises
Assistant executioner
The "Tumblrgate", back in 2018, happened because Apple removed the Tumblr app from its App Store, and Tumblr had to censor its content overnight to make it return. Other sites have removed or banned sexual content because on imposition of advertisement brokers or the credit card processors used to bill users and/or advertisers. You know, when you run an Internet business, you need money to pay for servers, bandwidth and programmer salaries. Free sites depend on revenue from the advertisers, paid sites depend on revenue from subscribers.
All this happened way before the current wave of age verification laws. For example, Yahoo and Flickr banned nudes from public groups and galleries around 2010, more than ten years ago (Flickr was owned by Yahoo back then). The agents behind this change are mainly banks, ad brokers and some tech companies, like Apple. The governments, as usual, are late to the party.
All this happened way before the current wave of age verification laws. For example, Yahoo and Flickr banned nudes from public groups and galleries around 2010, more than ten years ago (Flickr was owned by Yahoo back then). The agents behind this change are mainly banks, ad brokers and some tech companies, like Apple. The governments, as usual, are late to the party.
mp5stab
Hair and Nails
I’m not sure if any of the parts of Web3 are going to pan out. But I still hold out some hope for that, even if it is in smaller population number stand the “mainstream“ Internet, I suspect we’ve already seen the bifurcation of the information stream between algorithmically generated streams of a video content like YouTube and TikTok and communications platforms like Twitter. The remaining social media is not quite sure which direction it’s going in, Instagram seems to be TikTok lite in a lot of ways. Reddit killed the independent forum then killed itself.
The whole Internet will get noticeably more toxic during the 2024 election. I’m really not looking forward to that personally and the more spaces I can have that are politics free the better but I don’t expect many of them will rough it out that well.
The inevitable wave of AI generated manufactured consensus and the equally as inevitable overreaction and moral panic where everyone is accused of being a LLM will be equally as rough.
I’m going to make sure we have backups of plenty of this stuff, by the way. Hopefully web3 will be more open. I don’t want to have to teach a bunch of people how to use tor hahaha
The whole Internet will get noticeably more toxic during the 2024 election. I’m really not looking forward to that personally and the more spaces I can have that are politics free the better but I don’t expect many of them will rough it out that well.
The inevitable wave of AI generated manufactured consensus and the equally as inevitable overreaction and moral panic where everyone is accused of being a LLM will be equally as rough.
I’m going to make sure we have backups of plenty of this stuff, by the way. Hopefully web3 will be more open. I don’t want to have to teach a bunch of people how to use tor hahaha
poem21045
Tribunus Plebis
Oh no! That means all the people in Utah who use pornhub won't have access.
And here they are (I just happen to have pictures):
Luises
Assistant executioner
Web3 won't go anywhere. Blockchain is a useful technology that solves some problems, but not a panacea for all of the Internet's evils. It adds a noticeable increase in resource consumption (mainly, server's CPU and memory) without providing anything Web2 can't, at least for public content (such an Instagram post). The much touted protection and control over your content is as easily defeated as a simple right click->Save image as... You are free to repost the saved image wherever you want, and the owner has no way to know, let alone prevent it.
But, even if I'm wrong and Web3 goes somewhere, the problem here is with funding. Web3 or not, running a website costs money. So you will be still at the banks and ad brokers' hands. Web3, with its higher resource requirements, only would make it worse.
justarandomguy
Magistrate
Question, what is the alternative for video uploading? I have been using veed io, but I wanted to know if there was another option, since the latter doesnt allow to embed video on free accounts.