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Monogamy exists in very few other species exists in very few other species and for a good reason. A diversified gene pool allows for more adaptions thus a greater chance that the species will survive. The female of any species is a prize to be taken by a dominant male. However humans with a reasoning capability have the ability to make analytical deductions which can over ride biological instinct.
From time to time, I'm thinking that it could be better that children are educated by all the "tribe" rather than a man and a woman ... Alas, we're not living in tribe (I think of amazonia'tribe, for example) and we feel us obliged to have a parentage, duly inscribed to official papers ... Is it better ? It's bringing all what we can find like jealousy, divorce and all the fights that it implies concerning the children'guardianship ...
But in an other hand, it could be gratifying for the two married parents to show what it's the result of their "work" ...
Anyway, often, our children are not really like we had wished, and, after all, it's better like that !
 
Willowfall:
Your last couple of posts on this page were, hands down, the most beautiful things I have ever read on this forum!
I love responses to confusing, non-sensible posts by people who are educated on topics of evolution, sociology, history and psychology.
I think I'm in love. lol :)

Messaline:
Ditto to you as well for your post on child rearing. :)
 
From time to time, I'm thinking that it could be better that children are educated by all the "tribe" rather than a man and a woman ... Alas, we're not living in tribe (I think of amazonia'tribe, for example) and we feel us obliged to have a parentage, duly inscribed to official papers ... Is it better ? It's bringing all what we can find like jealousy, divorce and all the fights that it implies concerning the children'guardianship ...
But in an other hand, it could be gratifying for the two married parents to show what it's the result of their "work" ...
Anyway, often, our children are not really like we had wished, and, after all, it's better like that !

There are times I think you ought to have to pass a test before you are allowed to have children. Raising a child to be a good, effective, contributing member of society has to be the hardest job on the planet.

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willowfall
 
Willowfall:
Your last couple of posts on this page were, hands down, the most beautiful things I have ever read on this forum!
I love responses to confusing, non-sensible posts by people who are educated on topics of evolution, sociology, history and psychology.

I was born into a wealthy high technology civilization. To which I made no contributions to until I was an adult.

Both my parents are\were very smart people so I assume the raw material was genetically gifted to me.

I grew up in a immigrant working class familial culture that emphasized acquiring and using an education to get ahead.

And, despite a number of people dissing a Roman Catholic school education, some of my high school\college teachers layered an ability to be analytical and logical about things instead of emotional.

In a lot of ways I am an extremely lucky person.

And you know what they say in the play "Pippin": "It is smarter to be lucky than it is lucky to be smart."

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willowfall
 
There are times I think you ought to have to pass a test before you are allowed to have children. Raising a child to be a good, effective, contributing member of society has to be the hardest job on the planet.

kisses

willowfall
Sometimes me too , but , even if I get the test, I'm doubting that I"ll be accepted as lesbian and crux'addict !!!:D
 
My last serious boyfriend was like this a wonderful man but wasn't into BDSM, a need I have so we went our separate ways.



Not sure I have ever heard a bigger crock of bull than "attacker" and "defender" sperm. Sperm is NOT white blood cells for heavens sake. It is testosterone not sperm which makes males (all male mammals) aggressive and YES it is there solely to ensure that superior genes (as designated by nature not humans) is passed on to succeeding generations. It is called 'survival of the fittest' (which unfortunately we use technology to cancel out).



Monogamy exists in very few other species exists in very few other species and for a good reason. A diversified gene pool allows for more adaptions thus a greater chance that the species will survive. The female of any species is a prize to be taken by a dominant male. However humans with a reasoning capability have the ability to make analytical deductions which can over ride biological instinct.

Let's take Arnold S as an example. Big, strong. always defeats the other men and gets the girls (thank you Hollywood). But let's look at this from the female perspective in a Neolithic society. Her breeding instinct is protective, I have to protect and raise my children who is the mate who gives them the best chance of that. Certainty Arnold as a protector fits that bill but how is he as a hunter? Can he follow game at a high speed for miles on end or do the lighter guys leave him behind so he gets less to bring home (none at all). And then is he demanding enough food to feed that massive body there might not be anything left over for her offspring. The last 2 make him a lousy option as a mate (however, point one gives him the ability to seize all the females he wants).

Why do you think rich guys get attention from massive numbers of women? They have the modern resources (foraging\hunting for survival being a passe skill) to take care of her and any offspring.

Or why the handsome guy (or beautiful girl) gets all the attention.? Plenty of studies have proved that people who are 'beautiful' (as designed by the time and place) are considered more desirable, trustworthy, and are generally more successful because the path is 'greased' for them by our biology. Those 3 things add up to providing offspring (and mom) with a better chance of survival than being with an ugly guy nobody wants around. We don't NEED that biological drive anymore to survive but a couple of hundred years of technology is not over-riding\wiping out millions of years of evolution.

As too your friend deciding that he was designed by evolution to be inferior he is making up things (which we humans excel at) to make himself feel better about his romantic failures. Every guy wants the Playboy Bunny in the room but you know what? In a modern society when the best guy with a sword can't kill his competitors and grab the chick and carry her off to his stronghold, she CONTROLS to options as to which male she thinks is best for her (which doesn't mean the guy she thinks is the best is going to agree with her but neither one has to look at the undesirables at all).

So his failures are on him, not evolution. He either doesn't bring enough to the table (or does a bad of presenting what he has) to make the women HE'S interested in think HE'S their best choice.

And that applies to women too, you don't always get the guy you want because he's not convinced you are his best option.

Now maybe in both cases the tools you have are not superior (say a prehensile tail) but that's because of inferior genes producing an inferior product.

Humans have turned sex into an Olympic sport, nature intended it for only one thing .................. procreation.

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willowfall
Oh my goodness! Have I touched a nerve? Good morning Willowfall.

As far as I know, all that bollocks (Ha Ha) about attacker and defender sperm is a real scientific theory. it's based on the idea that to achieve impregnation according to the principles of survival of the fittest, you don't need millions, most of which don't get anywhere near her egg or even try too. So what are they evolved for? Whales for example, produce gallons of ejaculate. They do this because when she's into it, males from miles around compete in impaling her on their dicks and usually more than one succeed. So who fathered her cow? Research suggests it was the last one in and he pumped her to overflowing because he expected to flush out all his competitors. Do we think evolutionary competition continues even after she's been fucked? Systems exist in nature to suggest this is possible.

At some points in my monthly cycle, apparently, I'm attracted to the alpha male because I want my child to be physically endowed, strong and confident. I'm impressed by his masculine swagger when I feel horny, but only for a few days. For the rest of my desperation to fuck, I want the commitment of a softer, caring, life partner to help me raise my child. Then I return to my opinion of Mr Muscly Mega Dick as a bit of a poncy twat and a poor investment of my time.

Rich guys gets lots of women because shed loads of us just love spending money! Really rich wives fuck the staff for fun.

To be serious for a moment, I've built a life with my boyfriend which is precious. He's my foundation and the base from which everything else I want is possible. Knowing I'm safe, I can log on here, amongst other places, and explore my kink to my wicked heart's desire. That is after all why I write, it's my kinky sex life. I have an on line Master who controls me sexually while I'm logged on. I have permission to write this. He needs to know when and how I become aroused and for me, that pushes my buttons. I'm even allowed to role play submission to other men, or women, with his consent and subject to his conditions. Like this, I explore the psychology of submission and feel it, although of course I'm limited in how far I can go physically.

Last night I was playing with someone who wanted me stripped to my knickers, collared and naked in front of my computer while we played. The "scene" was that I'd been shared with him by my master who handed me over in a car park to be driven away, stripped to my knickers and collared. I know I wasn't physically trained by this man, but we wrote it with him in command. It felt real enough to make obedience easy when he forced me to come. I should point out that my BF was away! He sometimes is, luckily.

The friend I mentioned originally, enjoys a cuckold fetish. It excites him to think of his wife in the manly grip of whichever alpha fuck she's chosen this time and his feelings of inferiority are powerfully erotic. As a couple, they really do play this game in RL. I wondered if the same submissive desires drive the passions in many of us, whichever kink we need to follow.

I've been fortunate enough to be able to split my life into two mutually exclusive halves and enjoy each separately. I need both.

I will say that it's occurred to me, from an evolutionary point of view, that women are the force of reason in the process and men are the careless, enthusiastic propagators. His best option as you call it, might simply boil down to availability. I joke that my BF is something of a cock on a stick and what he really needs is a mother. This is why I wash his socks.

I'm quite happy to accept that my sources are dodgy and I think this stuff simply because I want to. I just read it on the internet.

Kate XX
 
I was born into a wealthy high technology civilization. To which I made no contributions to until I was an adult.

Both my parents are\were very smart people so I assume the raw material was genetically gifted to me.

I grew up in a immigrant working class familial culture that emphasized acquiring and using an education to get ahead.
My background is somewhat comparable : new middle class struggling upward, with heavy emphasis on school education for acquiring a better life.

Still, I got from my early years these fantasies, which are a substantial part of my personality, and actually occupy my thoughts for considerable time. There is no link with my background that explains them, so I could grow up as a normal member of society, without these fantasies interfering with my real life.

But what if anyone could look inside my mind? Lots of people would have forbidden me to get children, or would have wanted me removed from society, I am afraid.
 
My background is somewhat comparable : new middle class struggling upward, with heavy emphasis on school education for acquiring a better life.

Still, I got from my early years these fantasies, which are a substantial part of my personality, and actually occupy my thoughts for considerable time. There is no link with my background that explains them, so I could grow up as a normal member of society, without these fantasies interfering with my real life.

But what if anyone could look inside my mind? Lots of people would have forbidden me to get children, or would have wanted me removed from society, I am afraid.
I grew up in an anarchic subculture where mainstream education looked like feeding the machine with potential consumers who'd be farmed for tax, poor bastards. None of that had anything to do with my wicked headful and I'm certain I was born kinky. I'm also certain most people have headful of quirks and interests which they keep to themselves. If society wanted you removed it would not be because of your depravity but because you admitted it. We are talking 18+ here right?

I wonder if the sanctimonious upholders of public decency, those who pontificate on the social standards we should all aspire to, aren't actually kinkier than me. I've met some so straight it's weird, no one's that boring!
 
In earlier tmes, before industrialisation and the development of technology, males needed to demonstrate that they possessed the strength and dominance necessary to procreate and women to show that they were capable of childbearing in order to ensure the continuance of the species. Hence the male obsession with breasts and buttocks and the female desire for a muscular well hung partner. This pattern is still the norm in most of the natural world.
As our society has developed, we have become more civilised and refined, but in many of us an underlying longing for the old ways still remains . That doesn`t imply that we can behave like cavemen and women, but it does account for many of the fantasies which we privately indulge in.
"female desire for a muscular well hung partner." Wrong! Women come in different sizes too and muscular does not necessarily mean fit, in either sense of the word. His intellect is drop dead gorgeous no matter how many weights he can do in a gym.
 
Oh my goodness! Have I touched a nerve? Good morning Willowfall.

As far as I know, all that bollocks (Ha Ha) about attacker and defender sperm is a real scientific theory. it's based on the idea that to achieve impregnation according to the principles of survival of the fittest, you don't need millions, most of which don't get anywhere near her egg or even try too. So what are they evolved for? Whales for example, produce gallons of ejaculate. They do this because when she's into it, males from miles around compete in impaling her on their dicks and usually more than one succeed. So who fathered her cow? Research suggests it was the last one in and he pumped her to overflowing because he expected to flush out all his competitors. Do we think evolutionary competition continues even after she's been fucked? Systems exist in nature to suggest this is possible.


I'm quite happy to accept that my sources are dodgy and I think this stuff simply because I want to. I just read it on the internet.

Kate XX

Kate;

Only stupidity touches a never with me because I spend a lot of my time cleaning up the messes of stupid people. And the best way to fight stupidity is not to ban it but to call it what it is in broad daylight.

It is not "a real scientific theory" it is nonsense and "I just read it on the internet" is almost the dumbest statement one can make to justify their position. I'm sorry but it has been pretty much proven the amount of false "information" and "facts" on the internet is multiples of anything resembling accuracy.

And yes animals in heat will breed continuously until they are out of it. That is what nature designed them (and us) to do. Why do you think a male lion defends his pride or a stallion his herd? It isn't because he has some intellectual sense that he wants offspring "A" to be his it is because he has a biological drive to screw everything he can his penis in and like most males is adverse to sharing. And yes a female will continue to want sex until she is out of heat. I've seen mares wear out a stallion and be screaming for more after he is taken away. Their biological drive demands it until the chemistry in their body changes to tell them they are preggers. And you know what? Right after an egg is fertilized there is NOTHING that says to the female 'Stop now, mission accomplished'.

And the reason that there are millions of sperms in a single dose is that the chances of success are extremely small in every case. It is the first sperm that manages to get to and fertilize the egg that succeeds. There is no guarantee in a gang rape (whale or human) that the alpha male (define that however you'd like) male's sperm is going to accomplish that. So YES mammals need millions to get the job done because of the odds.

There are days I am convinced we got out of trees because the first one fell, the second one was pushed by the third one who fell out of the tree laughing at the first 2. And then they couldn't figure out to get back up.

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willowfall
 
"female desire for a muscular well hung partner." Wrong! Women come in different sizes too and muscular does not necessarily mean fit, in either sense of the word. His intellect is drop dead gorgeous no matter how many weights he can do in a gym.

Got to agree with Kate on this one. There is nothing more useless in the world than a big dick attached to a bigger dick. "Muscular" means nothing, a body builder has a great looking well developed muscle structure but that never translates into making him strong. Or smart, or a good provider, or ....................

Quite honestly when it comes to sword play it is rarely the large muscular (slow) guy who wins. In fact the Arnie's of the world with 20 pound swords and big sweeping swings get taken out pretty fast on the pre-modern battlefield.

That big penis and muscles attract women is a myth propagated by males who have nothing else to bring to the table. Any guy who send me a penis pick is automatically not getting it from me. Impress me with your brain and your personality, my body will follow. I don't need your money I have more than enough of my own.

And please don't get me wrong. Even people who are less than 'desirable' can breed. There are plenty of guys who will screw anything that spreads its legs and plenty of women who think getting screwed means they are loved. But notice none of them are every truly at the top of the social pecking order. Often they are actually near the bottom.

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willowfall
 
Got to agree with Kate on this one. There is nothing more useless in the world than a big dick attached to a bigger dick. "Muscular" means nothing, a body builder has a great looking well developed muscle structure but that never translates into making him strong. Or smart, or a good provider, or ....................

Quite honestly when it comes to sword play it is rarely the large muscular (slow) guy who wins. In fact the Arnie's of the world with 20 pound swords and big sweeping swings get taken out pretty fast on the pre-modern battlefield.

That big penis and muscles attract women is a myth propagated by males who have nothing else to bring to the table. Any guy who send me a penis pick is automatically not getting it from me. Impress me with your brain and your personality, my body will follow. I don't need your money I have more than enough of my own.

And please don't get me wrong. Even people who are less than 'desirable' can breed. There are plenty of guys who will screw anything that spreads its legs and plenty of women who think getting screwed means they are loved. But notice none of them are every truly at the top of the social pecking order. Often they are actually near the bottom.

kisses

willowfall
Yeah, go girl! What do you call the useless flap of skin on the end of a penis? No, the other end! Sorry, sorry, sorry lads. I couldn't resist it in this context. I don't mean it, it's just for the sake of a laugh that's all. Please don't think less of me, please? I'm sorry!

I think men think we like to look at them the way they like to look at us, that's why they send dick pics. Sometimes I'm aghast at how different we are. I get in lots of role plays on line and lots of them stall when they ask "What do you look like?" If I tell them Daenarys Targaryen we're off. Obviously, these aren't the most rewarding ones.
 
Kate;

Only stupidity touches a never with me because I spend a lot of my time cleaning up the messes of stupid people. And the best way to fight stupidity is not to ban it but to call it what it is in broad daylight.

It is not "a real scientific theory" it is nonsense and "I just read it on the internet" is almost the dumbest statement one can make to justify their position. I'm sorry but it has been pretty much proven the amount of false "information" and "facts" on the internet is multiples of anything resembling accuracy.

And yes animals in heat will breed continuously until they are out of it. That is what nature designed them (and us) to do. Why do you think a male lion defends his pride or a stallion his herd? It isn't because he has some intellectual sense that he wants offspring "A" to be his it is because he has a biological drive to screw everything he can his penis in and like most males is adverse to sharing. And yes a female will continue to want sex until she is out of heat. I've seen mares wear out a stallion and be screaming for more after he is taken away. Their biological drive demands it until the chemistry in their body changes to tell them they are preggers. And you know what? Right after an egg is fertilized there is NOTHING that says to the female 'Stop now, mission accomplished'.

And the reason that there are millions of sperms in a single dose is that the chances of success are extremely small in every case. It is the first sperm that manages to get to and fertilize the egg that succeeds. There is no guarantee in a gang rape (whale or human) that the alpha male (define that however you'd like) male's sperm is going to accomplish that. So YES mammals need millions to get the job done because of the odds.

There are days I am convinced we got out of trees because the first one fell, the second one was pushed by the third one who fell out of the tree laughing at the first 2. And then they couldn't figure out to get back up.

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willowfall
Willowfall;

I meant I don't have a "position". I'm not arguing. Of course it could be nonsense, I'm fine with that. I'm simply impressed by the idea, it makes sense to me, I like it.

You seem disappointed by mankind's post evolutionary journey. Are you horrified that we are now divorced from the purposes we are naturally evolved to cope with? It scares me to realise that our digital technology is creating problems we have no evolutionary precedent to fall back on.

Even though this is the internet, and therefore could be complete bollocks, it's still interesting,
 
The friend I mentioned originally, enjoys a cuckold fetish. It excites him to think of his wife in the manly grip of whichever alpha fuck she's chosen this time and his feelings of inferiority are powerfully erotic. As a couple, they really do play this game in RL. I wondered if the same submissive desires drive the passions in many of us, whichever kink we need to follow.

I stumbled upon this old but interesting thread. My wife is my fetish All my fantasies revolve around her. We've been together for over 20 years. For the past 6 years, we've been practicing cuckolding (just her sex dates, no punishment of myself), and I must admit it still excites me a lot. In no way has fulfilling our fantasies ruined our relationship; it has actually brought more excitement and something different into it, taking our erotic life to a completely different level.
 
I stumbled upon this old but interesting thread. My wife is my fetish All my fantasies revolve around her. We've been together for over 20 years. For the past 6 years, we've been practicing cuckolding (just her sex dates, no punishment of myself), and I must admit it still excites me a lot. In no way has fulfilling our fantasies ruined our relationship; it has actually brought more excitement and something different into it, taking our erotic life to a completely different level.
You cou'd elevate that into a threesome perhaps with DP?
 
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