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Apostate said:
Am I the only one who wishes they would just rebuild the damn thing?
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They do have a program which is putting the rubble pieces back together and in place.
http://www.greece-is.com/healing-parthenon-inside-mammoth-restoration-project/

But with careful archaeologists and Greeks, its slow as molasses in Minnesota winters.

Here is a good article about the acropolis with a neat 3D animated reconstruction.
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Parthenon-in-Athens-Greece-being-completely-restored-or-just-maintained

I was there in 1974 just before they began the work. I don't expect to live to see it finished.
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
They do have a program which is putting the rubble pieces back together and in place.
http://www.greece-is.com/healing-parthenon-inside-mammoth-restoration-project/

But with careful archaeologists and Greeks, its slow as molasses in Minnesota winters.

Here is a good article about the acropolis with a neat 3D animated reconstruction.
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Parthenon-in-Athens-Greece-being-completely-restored-or-just-maintained

I was there in 1974 just before they began the work. I don't expect to live to see it finished.
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Cool.
 

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Praefectus Praetorio said:
As the long-lost German soldier (played by Arte Johnson - who is still alive at 90) on Laugh-In would say:
"Verrrry interesting..."
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The hell you say!

The meaning of this 50 year old clip will be cryptic to the European contingent, and probably most Americans who aren’t Boomers.

 
messaline said:
But, our president takes more and more himself like a King : we cut the head of our last King in 1793 ... :D
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Mhhhh last king? What about Louis XVIII, Charles X, (technically succeeded, for the duration of an about 20 minutes during argument, by Louis XIX), Henry V (technically : a week) and Louis-Philippe?;)

But you are right : don't mess with the Notre Dame!
 

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Loxuru said:
Mhhhh last king? What about Louis XVIII, Charles X, (technically succeeded, for the duration of an about 20 minutes during argument, by Louis XIX), Henry V (technically : a week) and Louis-Philippe?;)...
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They were not the same kings ... Just "honorific" ... with a parliament ...:oops:

...But you are right : don't mess with the Notre Dame!
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
Note what many would call garish colors on the pediment. Quite authentic.

A modern example is a painted pediment on the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
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The statues of the N-D ' façade ( ... generally of all cathedrals or other monuments) were painted at the origin ...

Apostate said:
Actually, some of the modernist proposals don’t look too bad, not even sacrilegious.

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It's not "sacrilegious but I dont see the interest : no, rebuilt the old framework like it was made at the origin : it was a so much beautiful work !
 
Loxuru said:
Mhhhh last king? What about Louis XVIII, Charles X, (technically succeeded, for the duration of an about 20 minutes during argument, by Louis XIX), Henry V (technically : a week) and Louis-Philippe?;)

But you are right : don't mess with the Notre Dame!
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And two Emperors, both named Napoleon. One very successful - at least for a while - the other, not so successful...at all.
And then there was Charles de Gaulle.:p

I do agree that restoration should be in the original style. The only question is, do they reproduce Violet-le-Duc's Neo-Gothic fantasy spire:
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Or the plainer original:
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Maybe some sort of middle ground would be the best solution.
 
Naraku said:
And two Emperors, both named Napoleon. One very successful - at least for a while - the other, not so successful...at all.
And then there was Charles de Gaulle.:p

I do agree that restoration should be in the original style. The only question is, do they reproduce Violet-le-Duc's Neo-Gothic fantasy spire:
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Or the plainer original:
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Maybe some sort of middle ground would be the best solution.
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Don't go 'middling' on me!!!
 
I saw a rant on Facebook from someone who said tear it down and make a car-park ...
ah, yes, instead of soaring arches and glorious glass
created by poor ignorant serfs for the glory of God and Our Lady,
let's have a massive multi-story concrete car-park as high as the Eiffel Tower!
Instead of the incense and smoke of candles wafting to heaven,
let's burn our offerings of planet-warming CO2,
instead of the chants and prayers of the faithful,
let's hear the honking and swearing of Parisian drivers enragés -
surely that would be a fitting monument
to our wonderful, enlightened civilisation?
 
Eulalia said:
I saw a rant on Facebook from someone who said tear it down and make a car-park ...
ah, yes, instead of soaring arches and glorious glass
created by poor ignorant serfs for the glory of God and Our Lady,
let's have a massive multi-story concrete car-park as high as the Eiffel Tower!
Instead of the incense and smoke of candles wafting to heaven,
let's burn our offerings of planet-warming CO2,
instead of the chants and prayers of the faithful,
let's hear the honking and swearing of Parisian drivers enragés -
surely that would be a fitting monument
to our wonderful, enlightened civilisation?
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Ursula K. Leguin's last Hainish novel "The Telling" is set on the planet Aka, whose government and economy can be described as compulsory consumerism as managed by Chairman Mao.

They’d build something like that.
 
messaline said:
N-D was not built by serfs but by "compagnons" who were the best of what it existed among the workers'world ... ;)
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Of course, but that's what 'enlightened' minds imagine, that it was the 'dark ages'.
 
Eulalia said:
Of course, but that's what 'enlightened' minds imagine, that it was the 'dark ages'.
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Actually the people who built the castles, churches and the like were highly skilled tradesmen. Masons, carpenters, metalworkers and the like. They belonged to guilds who were very powerful and a nobleman couldn't get work done without them.
The 'Dark Ages' were earlier around 5-600 hundred to about 8-900 ad.
 
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