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Alan Donnelly, the noted professor of Roman Law at Greenwich University said the following when asked by Detective Barbara Moore whether women were crucified as well as men in Ancient Rome: "That’s a subject of some dispute in the field. My personal opinion is that they were, though generally in far lesser amounts than men, just as there are far fewer women executed than men here in the US in those states that still have the death penalty, though they do happen.”

I see you more as having double parked your chariot on the Appian way and being sentenced to pick up trash. Naked of course :devil:View attachment 545144

The crosses seem to be decorated with Christmas wreaths, so I'd say cold....

I see you more as having double parked your chariot on the Appian way and being sentenced to pick up trash. Naked of course

Close but not quite. The chariot belongs to Tree. I stole borrowed it while he was passed out drunk, went shopping and when I came out I realized that the keys were missing. So, you see, I am not picking up trash. I am searching for the lost keys (they are hard to hang onto when you are naked!);)
 
The rule is simple
Fifty woman can have children from just one men...
But
Fifty males and one woman... Who will be a father it's very interesting question.

That's why women were condemned to execution very rarely
That's true, but in China when they had the one child policy it was girl babies who were aborted, not boys. Similar has occurred in India. So you are correct logically that women should be more valued, but in reality it seems not to be true.
 
That's true, but
We are speaking about ancient times...

I must admit, China and India could be an exception

But exception proves the rule.

women should be more valued, but in reality it seems not to be true.
Are you sure?.. Can you proof me this.
I have an account on deviant art. And i saw an account of cosplayer girl and she is posting naked photos. 1500 - 3000 views per day. Core membership...
Webcam shows... Women are perfect consumers.

In my country women killed two humans. She smashed them by her car... Three years of jail for double kill.
 
I am not picking up trash. I am searching for the lost keys (they are hard to hang onto when you are naked!);)

And turning to remind eul that she's supposed to be street cleaning, not studying wildflowers growing through the cracks, even if they are really rare!
 
Were women crucified as well?

Yes, though rarely.

In Josephus' Antiquities (18.79f), we hear of "the freedwoman of a Roman eques who, in league with the priests of a temple of Isis in Rome, had helped him to deceive the woman he longed for, was crucified under Tiberius along with the priests of the Egyptian goddess, who were not Roman citizens but only peregrini" (Hengel, Crucifixion, 1977, pp. 60).

And we know of a certain Blandina, who, during the persecutions of Christians in Lyons (ca. 177) was crucified upside-down, and scourged naked (though this is might be a pious embellishment or invention, there is no reason to disbelieve the essence of it), this is found in Eusebius (H.E. V.1.55.)

Relatedly, Herodotus recounts (4.202.1 and 9.120.4) the female relations/spouses of crucified victims being killed before them in their sight, as part of the punishment.

Edit Crucifixion was regarded, particularly by Romans, as a uniquely hideous form of punishment, (Cicero describes it as the summum supplicium, from In Verrem 2.5.168), and therefore unsurprisingly there exists a paucity of references in our sources. Many of the references we have of it from Romans (Seneca can be taken as typical in this case, considering it an abomination, Dialogue 5 3.6) evince extreme aversion to the subject-matter. According to Hengel (Ibid., pp. 23), Romans tended to downplay their own use of crucifixion--though at times their own employment could be famously excessive, e.g. Varus crucifying 2000 around Jersualem (Assum. of Moses 8.9)--and attribute it more to barbarians.

This is important to consider when looking for instances of female victims of crucifixion, because, given how our sources already demonstrate an aversion from talking about crucifixion, we might further add that they had a heightened distaste for the practice being employed against women, and so might have been glossed over these occurrences even further. This might explain the tremendous scarcity of references to women being crucified, though, in all likelihood, it is probably fair to say that women were crucified in an extreme minority of instances.

More, on account of boredom

Crucifixion was typically employed against usurpers, the seditious, rebellious vassals/slaves, as far back as Plato's time (Gorgias 473bc). For Plautus, slaves had been executed on the cross ‘from time immemorial’, and Cicero remarks that slaves suspected of rebellion were handed over for crucifixion more maiorum (In Verrem II.5.12). Livy (22.32.2) says that in 217 BC 25 slaves were crucified for conspiracy, and further examples abound.

Due, then, to the nature of the punishment, it further rendered it unlikely that women would be reasonable candidates for crucifixion--given the patriarchal and social climate of Antiquity, women would hardly have occupied positions of vassalship, or roles in political/military coups and rebellions, and women would hardly have been involved, actively, and clearly culpably, in acts of rebellion. Note carefully that the two examples of female crucifixion I gave did involve some elements of sedition/rebellion, and Blandina was a slave, the other a freedwoman (i.e. an ex-slave).
 

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In the US in the last 40 years, executions have been about 100 men for every woman. I suspect Rome and other societies would have a similar ratio. Yet on CF, it's probably 100 women for every man:confused: Now why would that be?;)

00028156.Little.Caprice.jpg Stupid Silly question, Goldman. Why do you think? :rolleyes:
 
Great images - wish I could find more in colour and high resolution, the history is also facinating, one can only wonder what it was really like though.

Rome in the History of Capital Punishment

Unfortunately for the human race, the history of capital punishment has been a long, bloody and inglorious one. Most of us today are lucky enough to live in countries where the death penalty has been abolished, but generally this has only happened in the last half century and there are still many parts of the world where some crimes are punishable by death. Capital punishment has been recorded as having been practiced since antiquity and regrettably we have been all too creative in thinking up different methods of inflicting pain, humiliation and death on our fellow human beings. In one ancient society, that of Ancient Rome, capital punishment was seen to be a way of maintaining the status quo and also deterring any would be criminals from any future disobedience. Ancient Rome was both a very hierarchical and patriarchal society. Roman Citizens were at the top of the heap, and then there were the legions of slaves who did all the hard work and kept the households, businesses and farms running. If you were lucky enough to have been born a Roman Citizen, then you were also more fortunate if you were born male.The man of the house was the pater familias, and he was entitled to rule his family with an iron rod if he chose, as his authority was absolute.


The Family in Ancient Rome

These days it is perhaps hard to understand how important the concept of family was to an ancient society such as Rome.Their whole social world was held together by having stable family units, and preserving the honour of the family name meant everything to an Ancient Roman father. So it is not perhaps surprising that in Ancient Rome, the crime of parricide was regarded as the most heinous crime that you could ever commit and was enshrined in law in 52 BC as the the Lex Pompeia de pariciidis. Murdering one of your blood relations was looked on as being totally unnatural and if you killed your father, mother, or one of your grandparents then you had a special punishment reserved for you – the Poena cullei. If you were unfortunate enough to be sentenced to the Poena cullei, you would have been bound and placed in an ox skin sack along with a snake, a dog, a monkey and a cockerel and then the sack would be flung into deep water. Can you imagine what it would have been like to have been confined in that small space, together with those panicking animals biting and scratching at you, knowing that you were drowning?


The Poena Cullei

So what was the meaning of the strange cocktail of creatures that they threw into the leather sack with you? Each of these animals had a symbolic meaning in Ancient Rome that they connected to what they regarded as the monstrous crime of killing your father or close blood relation. The snake put in the sack was generally a viper, a reptile that was both feared and reviled in Ancient Rome, as they give birth to live young during which the young snakes could kill their own mother. Dogs did not enjoy the same levels of affection as we give them today, and were pretty much regarded as a despised animal, the lowest of the low. If you were an Ancient Roman, one of the worst insults that you could hurl at somebody would have been ‘less than a dog’. A monkey was seen as a lesser, inferior version of a human being and cockerels were thought to have no family feelings at all. You would not be subjected to this unusual form of capital punishment if you were a grandfather who killed his grandsons, or a mother who killed her children, as there were different sentences for those crimes. And if you were a father who murdered his children, then you probably would not get punished at all.


Public Executions in Ancient Rome

Generally speaking, Roman Citizens were not sentenced to capital punishment if they murdered another Roman Citizen of equal status,but were more often fined or exiled, and if they were executed they were beheaded, which was regarded as a more honourable way to die. If a Roman Citizen killed a slave or any person of lesser status then there was no punishment at all. Protecting the status and position of the Roman Citizens was considered to be a paramount concern and to be stripped of that status was one of the worst punishments imaginable, especially as then you could be subjected to one of the more inventive methods of Roman execution. So public executions were generally events put on to execute slaves who had run away, prisoners of war, common criminals and army deserters, and were regarded as great spectacles and a form or entertainment. The early Christians were also often publicly executed because of their refusal to worship or make sacrifices to the Roman gods or the Emperor. There were special areas set aside in Roman towns for public executions, usually outside the town gates, and also in the same arena where the gladiatorial games took place.


Roman Arena

The Roman games that took place in arena such as the Colosseum in Rome were lavish affairs that could sometimes go on for several days.The executions were an accepted part of the proceedings, and were quite often held at midday when some of the audience would retire home for lunch or a siesta. There were lots of different ways to execute these lowly criminals, but they were all designed to emphasis their inferior status and demonstrate the folly of those who dared to sin against the mighty Roman state. One of the punishments was the ‘damnatio ad bestia’, where the prisoner or prisoners would literally be thrown into the arena with dangerous wild animals. These could be big cats, bears, rampaging bulls or sometimes they were tied to the tails of stampeding horses and dragged to their deaths. The important thing to the Roman authorities was that they would be seen as no better than the animals, and thus fully deserved their harsh fate and could expect no sympathy. There is even artwork depicting the condemned being killed by animals in the arena found on the walls of Roman villas.


Crucifixion in Roman Times

Burning alive was another favoured form of execution, but perhaps the most shameful way to be executed for a Roman was to be crucified. Again, you would not suffer this punishment if you were a Roman citizen, which is why St Paul was beheaded and St Peter was crucified. Crucifixion was carried out in several different ways on different shapes of cross, but generally the prisoners were stripped naked, and either bound or nailed by their wrists to the crossbeam of a wooden cross. This meant that the whole bodyweight of the prisoner was supported only by their arms, which would soon lead to excruciating pain, and often lead to their shoulders and elbow joints dislocating. They would also be unable to breathe properly. It could take several days for a condemned man to die on the cross, and the whole point of the spectacle was that it was to serve as a warning by being so public, prolonged, painful and humiliating. Also the corpse would also be left on the cross to be picked clean by carrion birds, thus ensuring that the unfortunate victim also did not receive an honourable burial.


Mass Crucifixions in Roman Times

Prisoners would often be crucified in great numbers after a period of civil unrest, and after the slave rebellion led by Spartacus from 73-71 BC around 6,000 of his followers were crucified along the Appian Way between Rome and Capua. Also after Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, mass crucifixions were carried out to ensure that message was taken on board that rebellion was not going to be tolerated by the Roman authorities. As the Roman guards could not leave the site of the execution until after the condemned had died, they sometimes hastened the prisoner’s end by breaking their legs with an iron club.

So for the Ancient Romans capital punishment was a method of maintaining, albeit brutally, their social order and their empire. If you had the good fortune to have been born a Roman Citizen, you could probably assume that you would be treated with some respect and dignity if you committed a crime. But if you were a slave or prisoner of war you could expect to have the full force of Roman law and authority thrown at you, so that both you and any others who were thinking of disobedience would come to understand that rebellion or crime was not to be tolerated. However it may seem to modern eyes, these executions were not carried out to be cruel, but were undertaken to support the Roman state and ensure the continuation of the Roman Empire.
 
Great images - wish I could find more in colour and high resolution, the history is also facinating, one can only wonder what it was really like though.
Reality is seldom as good as fantasy. Probably those crucified or fed to lions were 99% males and not necessarily good looking ones, the few women were not beautiful either, the beer was warm, the hot dogs were stale and in the next seat was a big fat guy, half of whose ass flopped over into your seat who kept yelling "Crucify them!" in a foghorn voice every 10 seconds until you wanted to strangle him...:p:D
 
Reality is seldom as good as fantasy. Probably those crucified or fed to lions were 99% males and not necessarily good looking ones, the few women were not beautiful either, the beer was warm, the hot dogs were stale and in the next seat was a big fat guy, half of whose ass flopped over into your seat who kept yelling "Crucify them!" in a foghorn voice every 10 seconds until you wanted to strangle him...:p:D

You’ve been to too many New York baseball games, Goldman. Lighten up! :rolleyes:
 
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BLANDINA OF LYON CRUCIFIED UPSIDE DOWN

Blandina died during the reign of Emperor Marcus Aurelius (121-180) in the city of Lyon in Asia Minor. Blandina was arrested along with other Christians. She was a slave and not a Roman citizen. This is important because if she were a Roman citizen her death would not have included torture. A quick beheading should have been her fate. Instead, she withstood so much torture that it is said the perpetrators became tired under her strength. Finally, she was taken to an amphitheatre, bound to a cross upside down and savagely scourged. Then wild animals were let loose. However, they did not touch her. Finally, she was killed by throwing her in front of a wild steer.
 

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LUCILLA CRUCIFIED AS A REBEL SLAVE

Lucilla was a young slave who served in the domus of a rich merchant whose name was Proculus. Lucilla was punished very often because she refused to have a sexual intercourse with her master. One day Proculus and his pretty slave were alone at home; Proculus found Lucilla in the kitchen, preparing for lunch. He locked the door and tried to rape the young slave. Lucilla fought desperately and finally managed to escape from the domus. Proculus was upset and denounced Lucilla as a fugitive slave. In the evening his guards found Lucilla in the forum and arrested her. Proculus decided that Lucilla had to die, so ordered the she be brought to the amphithetre and executed. Being a slave, she was scourgedand then crucified. Proculus wanted to watch the execution at short distance.
 
In the US in the last 40 years, executions have been about 100 men for every woman. I suspect Rome and other societies would have a similar ratio. Yet on CF, it's probably 100 women for every man:confused: Now why would that be?;)

That probably doesn't apply so much to mass executions after insurrections or riots, just to individual ones. However, women were probably more often enslaved. I did read that, as happened with China's "one child" policy, everyone wanted a son, so the male:female adult ratio was very lopsided, making adult women more valuable.
 
Were women crucified as well?
Interesting, Michele. But we have only scarces accounts left. We should also avoid to frame 1200 years of Roman history (i.e. spanning the time from Charlemagne to today) into one unique template.

Maybe there have been times that ordinary women, and particularly slave women, were deemed so socially unimportant, that their executions remained unnoticed.
 
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CHRISTIANA CRUCIFIED AND HUMILIATED BY THE PAGAN IBERI

In the fourth century a Christian maiden was kidnapped and enslaved by the pagan Iberi around the Caspian and Black Sea; her real name was maybe Nina, but she was called Christiana because she refused to give up her faith. Having performed miracles by praying, Christiana converted members of the Iberi royal family. The king decided tha she had to die, so she ordered to crucify the woman in an extrelmely humiating position, with her legs spread. Once crucified, she received further tortures and was finally killed with a spear.

[BASED ON A PICTURE BY RICKY]
 

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