It's a long time, longer than we easily conceive. They start out looking like Greeks, and they finish up speaking Greek!
btw It's not too late to say happy Saturnalia
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It's a long time, longer than we easily conceive. They start out looking like Greeks, and they finish up speaking Greek!
btw It's not too late to say happy Saturnalia
RacingRodent
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And a happy Saturnalia to all from me
Actual Roman bread, from Pompeii.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_...eum/pompeii_live/live_event/bread_recipe.aspx
Looks (and probably feels) a lot like Dwarf bread
https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Dwarf_Bread
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_...eum/pompeii_live/live_event/bread_recipe.aspx
Looks (and probably feels) a lot like Dwarf bread
https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Dwarf_Bread
Marcius
Tribune
A more reserved take on the subject of scourges appears here. Pity I can't access the full text.
Abstract
According to the Gospels, Jesus suffered the flagellation before his crucifixion. The texts do not clarify the form and materials of the scourge that was utilized. Since the beginnings of the modern era, several commentators have speculated about the scourge’s form, on the basis of the Greek-Roman literary evidence and with reference to flagellation relics. In the last few centuries, scholars have provided new indications that are exemplified in great dictionaries and encyclopedic works of Greek-Roman archaeology and antiquities, as well as in the consultation works available to biblical scholars. However, a close re-examination of the whole evidence compels us to dismiss nearly all data and to conclude that we know almost nothing about the materials and form of the scourge used at Jesus’ time.
Sorry it took me so long to stumble across this thread, RR. Very interesting vid.
RacingRodent
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43120942
So they found some actual Roman boxing gloves or rather sparring gloves as they lack the metal inserts used in competition (Roman boxing must really have hurt) at Vindolanda. Anyhow anyone headed Northumberland way could consider actually going to see them
So they found some actual Roman boxing gloves or rather sparring gloves as they lack the metal inserts used in competition (Roman boxing must really have hurt) at Vindolanda. Anyhow anyone headed Northumberland way could consider actually going to see them
Frank Petrexa
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One wonders what drove all this. Certainly metallurgy and weaving weren't static, nor were the types of cloth. Different weights and clothing were probably needed in different climates, and in response to tactics of opponents (infantry vs. cavalry, archery). The availability of raw materials in different places probably figured in. Individual commanders (at the Pompei, Julius Ceasar, Vespasian, Constantine, Dioclese level) probably wanted to differentiate their troops, and certainly they had to pay something to equip them, and that mattered a lot, I would expect. All of this stuff couldn't be mass produced, and even slave labor got expensive. I doubt that there was as much standardization as there is in armies today. The equipment differences between World War I and World War II, and even 1914 vs. 1918 and 1939 vs. 1944 are noticeable. Americans in World War I adapted Allied equipment, and the Free French used American equipment mostly, because they didn't have their own robust sources of supply. All that changed in less than 50 years.
l'bogo
Venetian Mask
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43120942
So they found some actual Roman boxing gloves or rather sparring gloves as they lack the metal inserts used in competition (Roman boxing must really have hurt) at Vindolanda. Anyhow anyone headed Northumberland way could consider actually going to see them
Il pugile del Quirinale...
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Wish I could find the original source, but I once read that Roman arms and armor changed so much over the centuries that some modern movies get details ridiculously wrong. Like a film (or the 4018 CE equivalent) showing George Washington storming a redcoat redoubt with a tommy gun, or American soldiers coming ashore at Omaha Beach in Civil War uniforms.
RacingRodent
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Like the Starz Spartacus series with Republican Roman Legionaries in lorica segmentata or the reverse, way too many Hollywood films with Romans and 'barbarians' swanning around in leatherette versions of the linothorax? I would certainly confess to muttering similar sentiments as I sat through a few of those.
The 1932 film Sign of the Cross featured Cecil B. DeMille's fever dream of the Roman arena
http://www.classicmoviehub.com/blog...sign-of-the-cross-7-vicious-pre-code-moments/
and his pre-Code notion of Roman boxing gloves.
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l'bogo
Venetian Mask
The boxing glove depicted are a Hollywood exageration... absolutely not true.
The 'Boxer of Quirinale' is a true statue, Greek manifacture, found in 1885 near the Quirinale hill.
Italian text here:
https://www.lamoneta.it/topic/126423-il-pugilatore-del-quirinale/
video:
Of course, l'bogo. Hollywood in general and Cecil B. DeMille in particular outright made historical details up. Still do.
Of course, none of the artists and writers at CF ever do anything like that, he lied.
And lie he well should ...
It will be my epitaph; “Here lies Apostate. And lies and lies and lies."
Marcius
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The Wickedest Movie in the World: How Cecil B. DeMille Made The Sign of the Cross
'Joy’s sole advice to DeMille was not to shoot the scene of a gorilla approaching a naked girl tied to a post.'
Yeah, as if.
'Joy’s sole advice to DeMille was not to shoot the scene of a gorilla approaching a naked girl tied to a post.'
Yeah, as if.
Hmmm. The naked girl about to be ravished by the guy in a gorilla suit is tied to a type of ancient monument called a Herm. I’ll bet cash money that DeMille knew what they looked like from the front, and I’m not a gambling man.
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Hmmmmm .... something about the face on that monument that looks vaguely familiar ... that isn't the face of that well-known collector of crucifixion art, gambler and inveterate liar, Herm Apostate, is it?
(Just teasing)
Hmmmmm .... something about the face on that monument that looks vaguely familiar ... that isn't the face of that well-known collector of crucifixion art, gambler and inveterate liar, Herm Apostate, is it?
You’re probably mistaking me for one of my cousins, Antoninus Impious or Arius the Heretic. The Holy Office gets us mixed up all the the time.
