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SO....How IS everybody doing,these days ??
I armoured up for the first time in two years. Taken up rapier, and gotten back into spear and shield work. Five practices in three weeks. It's been in the mid 90s F (mid 30s C). So fraking hot. I am hot, tired, and out of shape. Getting old sucks. But I am having fun.
 
I armoured up for the first time in two years. Taken up rapier, and gotten back into spear and shield work. Five practices in three weeks. It's been in the mid 90s F (mid 30s C). So fraking hot. I am hot, tired, and out of shape. Getting old sucks. But I am having fun.
Is it true that two-handed spear with no shield always beats spear-and-shield? If so why did spearmen nearly always have shields?
 
hmmm, maybe one outcome applies to a 1v1 fight (where the single spearman might get around/past a single opponent's shield) , and the other applies to large groups in tight formation (where shieldwalls could be formed)?
Yes..in a one-to-one fight, two-handed spear (no shield) wins most times because the extra spear control outweighs the lack of a shield. It must be different in a hoplite spear formation . Also there are archers to think about. I’m sure we all know where this comes from:
“Sire, it is said that their arrows are so numerous that they blot out the sun!”
“Then.. we will fight in the shade.”
 
Here I go again! Having to look up definitions. A chyron is an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or cinema screen. It is named after the company who invented it. So what happens is that some politician is speaking in Urdu with the translation underneath which you are trying to read and then some bloody irrelevant chyron is superimposed over it blocking out the translation.
I usually don't even want to know what an American or British politician is saying these days ("rot" is I believe the British term). Why would you want to understand an Afghan or Pakistani politician?
 
What if they've read Sex Slaves (Of Khabadami) and put out a Fatwah on me!
Well the politicians can't do a fatwah. Only the clerics can. I once had the idea for a website,, "666.com". For 10 cents (US) a day, you can pay to join a religion, a different one each day. (The various religions get a cut to encourage their cooperation.) That way, when you die, you at least have a finite chance of being in the "right" one. One clearly can't tell the "right" one by logic alone.
So, maybe you have a good idea for another website: my fatwah.sa. We monitor all the fatwahs and who issues them. Anyone can search for their name. (Certainly, the fatwah-ers would want to cooperate--intimidation is the whole idea.) Maybe ImageMaker can look into it as an alternative revenue source.
 
Is it true that two-handed spear with no shield always beats spear-and-shield? If so why did spearmen nearly always have shields?
No, it is absolutely not true. I would take a shield and single handed spear almost every single time. I've introduced this type of spear work to some of the best rapier fighters in the region. The spear, to them, is essentially an extremely long rapier with no hand guard. Their form is basically perfect, even though they were just recently introduced to the weapon. When they use a shield, we basically split 50/50 when sparring. When they use a double handed technique, I am winning 60/40. Part of that is that I am so out of shape. The other part is their extremely good technique, and their superb footwork. They are getting in fast, and when I advance, they retreat fast and efficiently, making me chase them. When I let them set their shot, they are simply faster and more accurate than me, regardless of whether it is single or double handed. When I attack first, or properly anticipate their shot, I have the advantage (until I overheat and run out of breath).
Against anyone else, I have the advantage, hands down. The shield is a major advantage. The only real advantage that a two handed technique has is the strength in a weapon beat or the bind, but that is poor tradeoff to the many benefits of the shield.
All through history, you see the spear/shield combo...for a reason. It only started to fall into decline with the proliferation of heavier armour and massed heavy polearms. Better to have a 10 ft axe and stand behind a line of men with shields, than to have a 7 ft spear with your own shield...at least in formation fighting. Remove the combo of shield wall, heavy armour, and long pole weapons, and the spear/shield combo is the winner in almost every battle not decided by cavalry or missile weapons.
And, the spear shield combo was still being used for dueling into the 17th C. The manuals from the Bolognese schools talk in depth about the use of partisan and rotella shield. It's just an effective combo, once you have a little training.
 
No, it is absolutely not true. I would take a shield and single handed spear almost every single time. I've introduced this type of spear work to some of the best rapier fighters in the region. The spear, to them, is essentially an extremely long rapier with no hand guard. Their form is basically perfect, even though they were just recently introduced to the weapon. When they use a shield, we basically split 50/50 when sparring. When they use a double handed technique, I am winning 60/40. Part of that is that I am so out of shape. The other part is their extremely good technique, and their superb footwork. They are getting in fast, and when I advance, they retreat fast and efficiently, making me chase them. When I let them set their shot, they are simply faster and more accurate than me, regardless of whether it is single or double handed. When I attack first, or properly anticipate their shot, I have the advantage (until I overheat and run out of breath).
Against anyone else, I have the advantage, hands down. The shield is a major advantage. The only real advantage that a two handed technique has is the strength in a weapon beat or the bind, but that is poor tradeoff to the many benefits of the shield.
All through history, you see the spear/shield combo...for a reason. It only started to fall into decline with the proliferation of heavier armour and massed heavy polearms. Better to have a 10 ft axe and stand behind a line of men with shields, than to have a 7 ft spear with your own shield...at least in formation fighting. Remove the combo of shield wall, heavy armour, and long pole weapons, and the spear/shield combo is the winner in almost every battle not decided by cavalry or missile weapons.
And, the spear shield combo was still being used for dueling into the 17th C. The manuals from the Bolognese schools talk in depth about the use of partisan and rotella shield. It's just an effective combo, once you have a little training.
Remind me not to try poking you with a stick
:stick:
(but also thanks for the long and pointed answer, very informative! I’ve done some fencing, including epée and dagger combo, but never tried spear)
 
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For the benefit of those,not acquainted with Football,especially in the U.K....
For the first time,in 55 years,(let that sink in !!)
The England team are in a Tournament Final...!! :eek:
They play Italy,on Sunday night,at Wembley Stadium.
Come ON,ENGLAND !! :ARMS1::aaaaa:
 
For the benefit of those,not acquainted with Football,especially in the U.K....
For the first time,in 55 years,(let that sink in !!)
The England team are in a Tournament Final...!! :eek:
They play Italy,on Sunday night,at Wembley Stadium.
Come ON,ENGLAND !! :ARMS1::aaaaa:

I love England because so much of my favorite music comes from there. But Italy stole my heart years ago and has yet to let go, and so....

Viva Italia!!!!!!!! :aplastao:


 
I love England because so much of my favorite music comes from there. But Italy stole my heart years ago and has yet to let go, and so....

Viva Italia!!!!!!!! :aplastao:

Three Lions Vs Il Azzuri.
 
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