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I think DA do want BDSM stuff. I've said before that in spite of the purge, shed loads of it is being posted by hundreds of new users everyday and searching BDSM finds more than you can trawl through. The problem isn't graphic sex or violence, it's the issue of consent. In writing, you can write that in and make sure readers know that however brutal the action, your characters are up for it. You have to be very clever to do that graphically. DA assumes death is non consensual, sensibly, so that's an instant ban.

I must say the idea of non consensual worries me. Insisting that it's only fantasy only works in the right company and DA are well aware that a site that big will find users who are offended. I don't mean sanctimonious crusaders who'll have a go at anything edgy or fun, I mean people who've had real life experiences with some of the issues depicted in art like this. Stumbling across artwork which seems to suggest the erotic power in rape is hard to cope with if you've been raped. Some responsibility must lie with the artists who draw rape and torture to protect the sensitive from it.

There's lots of sex on DA. Most of it stays safely on the right side of the art/porn divide and for me, artistic sex is a worthy delight. Porn, all sticky mess and frantic penetration, is a struggle to watch I can do without.

Would you like to post us a link to your books Mr Windar?
I looked at the rules for DA and consent is not mentioned. Their policy says the following:
Tag your mature content
When we talk about mature content we are referring to submissions which some viewers may find offensive, distasteful, or otherwise undesirable to view or read. Most commonly this includes, but is not limited to, nudity, sexual themes, scenes of blood and gore, some generally violent themes, and certain ideologically sensitive topics.

I assume that the banned artists had no issue about tagging their work. So anyone with sensitivity to any of the above should have been properly warned.

Certainly the large majority of stories and art here on CF are non-consensual. I don't think people in the Roman Empire ran up to Roman officoials and said, "Please crucify me". Even Jesus, who supposedly sacrificed himself to save mankind didn't beg to be crucified and actually mounted a defense at his trial. Similarly with stories of torture in modern times.

At some we can protect everyone's feelings from every possible insult. Just look at the news-are I horrified and depressed by what I see? Good god, I should hope that any human being with an ounce of decency would be! So, yes, when there is a particularly bloody image, they will warn you, but they do and should show it so that we are all aware of what is going on.

Here is a link to my stories, both solo and with the very talented Barbaria. I will warn you that most contain non-consensual element.


 
I looked at the rules for DA and consent is not mentioned
That’s true; however the notification they sent me, to inform me that my account had been terminated, specifically mentioned “non-consensual scenarios” as the reason. They presumably missed the irony in the fact that their termination of my account was entirely non-consensual. :doh:
 
I tagged all my content as mature and was banned without warning about 10 days before my half year of premium expired quite a while back.
They didn't give a reason except a mention I broke the rules without specification, nor reacted to my request for review.

What I think the real reason was:
Thing is I had some hanging execution pics and they were cracking down on "suicide" related stuff.
The difference between execution and suicide, was prolly deemed not important

about 5 days after my ban I got the last communication from them:
Please renew your premium status.

:flipa::flipa: Well F you DA!!! :flipa::flipa:




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I tagged all my content as mature and was banned without warning about 10 days before my half year of premium expired quite a while back.
They didn't give a reason except a mention I broke the rules without specification, nor reacted to my request for review.

What I think the real reason was:
Thing is I had some hanging execution pics and they were cracking down on "suicide" related stuff.
The difference between execution and suicide, was prolly deemed not important

about 5 days after my ban I got the last communication from them:
Please renew your premium status.

:flipa::flipa: Well F you DA!!! :flipa::flipa:




:flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa:
hey, what if we created some really vulgar, really cheeky, and provocative image with the DA logo and sent it officially to the DA administrators as our gift to them ??

but what is guaranteed to annoy!

preferably in the form of spam or virus ... can you think of anything ??
 
I tagged all my content as mature and was banned without warning about 10 days before my half year of premium expired quite a while back.
They didn't give a reason except a mention I broke the rules without specification, nor reacted to my request for review.

What I think the real reason was:
Thing is I had some hanging execution pics and they were cracking down on "suicide" related stuff.
The difference between execution and suicide, was prolly deemed not important

about 5 days after my ban I got the last communication from them:
Please renew your premium status.

:flipa::flipa: Well F you DA!!! :flipa::flipa:




:flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa::flipa:
hahaha yes sure, they'll give you an unreasonable ban, and they still have tremendous audacity to say that you'll pay for the next months ... (such bastards are really only in America) ok I have to go for a walk and get rid of a fit of laughter ...

it amused me (but you still don't have a record for me! (ban after two hours)
 
hey, what if we created some really vulgar, really cheeky, and provocative image with the DA logo and sent it officially to the DA administrators as our gift to them ??

but what is guaranteed to annoy!

preferably in the form of spam or virus ... can you think of anything ??

I think they will eat you alive if they find out who you are.
Don't know if the DA logo is trademarked,
but malicous Spamming and Virus creation and/or spreading is quite illegal.

Just not going to spend any effort or money on DA again is my action.
 
I'm still looking for replacements for DA, and the best ones are probably Subscribestar and Pixiev (yes they don't write comments there, but I don't mind)

and when I find an adequate replacement for DA, I will be thrilled / no one will convince me that there is no page on the fucking internet where I can view my works without restrictions!
 
They didn't give a reason except a mention I broke the rules without specification, nor reacted to my request for review.
And this is a problem that has become endemic right across the social media space. Obviously they have their terms and conditions, and if any or all of these get breached than they do have the right to ban people, but to do so without even informing them of the reason is not only disingenuous, but also extremely cowardly. Also, any refusal (either direct or by ignoring) of a request for a review of their decision is a clear indication of their cowardice, in as much as they quite obviously don't believe that their position is strong enough to withstand an intelligent debate :(

Then again, none of this should really be a surprise, since 99% of the people working for these companies are just petulant toddlers in adult bodies :mad:
 
I think they will eat you alive if they find out who you are.
Don't know if the DA logo is trademarked,
but malicous Spamming and Virus creation and/or spreading is quite illegal.
So get someone in China or Russia to do it - they're not going to be accountable to anyone in the west :)
Just not going to spend any effort or money on DA again is my action.
Good call - not using these services is the fastest way to destroy their viability going forward
 
Many years ago FirebreathingAlison was writing dirty stories on DA and she was particularly excited by a drawing she found there called Special Prison by montycrusto. She extrapolated her real life into fantasy to write a story inspired by imagining herself in Monty's prison. The following is the first part of what could have happened. I know this thread is for complaining about DA but I thought Alison's sorry tale was relevant in a slightly different way..................

Life's lovely these days and today was going to be blissful. Jake went to work to do something clever and so important there was no chance of him coming home early, leaving me free to indulge myself all day. I didn't bother getting dressed because I wasn't going anywhere and I kissed him goodbye on the doorstep still in my dressing gown. He earns shed loads of money and although I have a job I don't need it. Taking a day off when I want to is easy.

We have had our moments. I feel guilty, sort of, for the trouble I caused but we understand each other now. I mean, when I was younger, I didn't know I'd develop a dark side. All I wanted was a wealthy husband, a flash car, a nice house and a bottomless credit card, what little girl wouldn't? When she was ready, young Alison the teenage hormone bomb did what she was evolved to do and presented the smart, up and coming (rampant) Jake Woodford with an opportunity he couldn't resist. He thought he'd landed in heaven, so did I, for a while.

To say that as young Alison I got what she wanted is something of an understatement. After her mission was accomplished however, she grew up beginning to wonder about the meaning of wealth and how valid an experience was if you simply paid for it. We're not young anymore but it's not true to say we've drifted apart, we haven't, we've added extra layers of experience in different directions. Jake races his motorcycle, I write silly stories. I think all writers do it autobiographically, I certainly do and all the stories I post on line are about the aforesaid trouble. They're a vehicle for me to express my undeniable sexual deviancy and it's funny that I post them on something called deviantart.com I don't have to go out and to it anymore, writing about it is enough.

We've accepted that and on days like this one, as soon as Jake's expensive silver dream machine has slipped smoothly off the drive, I'll run into the computer room, fire up the Mac and log on to a day of care free literary debauchery. I'll drink coffee and remember how much fun I had. Maybe I’ll enjoy a few personal moments if I think of something really good, my imagination free of the impediment of being Mrs Woodford. In the same way you can never be sure if an alcoholic has had his last drink, Jake wonders if I too am cured. All I'm saying about that is I'm not perfect. My demons don't always sleep.

"Now then, where was I?" I'll think a few minutes later. I'll open a file, scroll down to the bottom and discover I was cable tied spread out on a desk in a night watchman's office wearing nothing but my knickers as usual. He's a bastard this one. I can feel my pulse thump a little harder while I think about what I'll want him to do to me. Sorry but I just can't see how driving a noisy motorcycle round in circles at a hundred miles an hour is this good!

Then this happened................

The doorbell rang. "Fuck, this early?” I thought it might be the postman with a parcel for Jake or something. Resenting the disturbance, I remembered to save the night watchman holding me down with my head near a phone on speaker, so he could make me commentate for his mates in the pub on the groping he's forcing me to endure. I ran down the stairs to the front door to find a bloke in a suit and two policemen at the door.

"Mrs Alison Woodford?" the suit asked. Mildly shocked, I admitted it and couldn't help thinking "What's wrong?" He asked me to step outside the house. The two policemen looked apprehensive as if they were expecting me to resist, and I did. "I'm not dressed." I protested, "What's this about?" "I'm afraid I must ask you to step outside." he insisted, "I have a warrant to search the premises." For a while I stared at him, stunned.

The institute Jake works for does drugs, it's politically sensitive and its management are a shady bunch. All the money to pay for our decadent lifestyle had to come from somewhere and it's that I assumed the problem was. "Oh no, what's he done?" I thought, then I remembered my Mac. I didn't want them searching that! "Hang on I'll just put some clothes on." I told him and turned away thinking I could ignore his instructions, rush up the stairs, pull the plug if I had to and look like I really was getting dressed. Not in a thousand years would I have though it was the Mac they wanted, and me.

The two policemen burst in and I tried to run up the stairs desperate to get to the computer room before they stopped me. One of them caught my ankle half way up. He pulled me down, crashing onto the steps face first. I thought of kicking myself free but the suit shouted "Stop it Mrs Woodford!" He explained quietly "You're only making this worse for yourself." when I gave up. I thought "What on earth does that mean?" He said "You don't have to say anything but anything you do say will be............" I didn't need to hear anymore. "You're arresting me!" I shouted over the top of the rest, "What for?" He said something about "Under the 1959 obscene publications act.........." but I was busy being indignant while I was manhandled down the stairs, handcuffed and led out of my own front door.

"We have reason to believe you spend a considerable amount of time on a website called deviantart.com" he said in police speak, on the front lawn. "That's not illegal!" I snapped. "No, but your activities on it might be." he said smugly. His uniformed accomplices disappeared into the house and I felt sick.

"If you would please." he said, pointing out a car parked outside in the street. He wanted me to get in it, to be taken away for questioning. My dressing gown had been pulled open after his merciless brutes had dragged me down the stairs with it. He must have noticed all I had on under it was a vest top and knickers. "I don't fuckin' believe this!" I thought. After writing just this a hundred times it was actually happening, to me. I was even bloody handcuffed!

Apparently I couldn't be allowed to interfere with the search. The nature of digital micro technology these days meant I could easily smuggle out or hide some vital piece of incriminating evidence they'd need to convict me with. I couldn't be let back in the house. Surely I had a right to get dressed before being paraded in public, no make up, hair everywhere and stinking, but the suit was adamant I hadn't. He led me to the car, opened a rear door and pushed me gently but firmly in. "This isn't right, you have to let me get dressed." I complained. He smiled as he put his hand on the door handle, "I thought you'd like this, it's right up your street." he joked as he shut me in.

"It's Kate. It's fuckin' Kate the nasty bitch!" I thought. These weren't real police, she'd set me up. I couldn't think of any other reason these people would know exactly what I'd been up to. DA is full of stuff like mine, worse in fact. I'm not obscene. In fact I'm not obscene enough for most DA readers. This has to be a joke I thought. Eventually the uniforms came out carrying my Mac. They put it in the boot smiling cheerfully in at the pervert they knew I was. "I bet they've read my files." I thought, "Bastards!"

One of them drove the car, the other one got in beside me and the suit occupied the front passenger seat. "It's Kate isn't it?" I asked as the car pulled away. "Who?" the suit said. "Kate" I repeated, "Kate Grindall, you know her, she's behind this isn't she." I added "You're not real policemen, it's like a strippergram with blokes. It's a get nickedgram isn't it." They all laughed and produced real warrant cards with their pictures on. "They're fake." I suggested. "I can assure you they're not." the suit said, smiling sincerity me.

The uniform with me in the back looked at my legs and watched my tits jiggle as the car moved. I stared at him eye to eye when I achieved contact, to let him know what I thought of him staring at me, but he grinned, thinking I deserved it I'm sure. OK, it looks bad I thought but this has to be a mistake. When we get where we're going we'll sort it out. "Don't worry." the suit said noticing the unwelcome attention I suffered from his colleague behind him. "We're real policemen, you're perfectly safe with us." I didn't feel safe. Being trapped in a car with three blokes concentrates the mind of a half dressed woman, and the reason I'd been arrested made it worse. "Sorry about that." my neighbour said. "Sorry about what?" I asked, too distracted to understand. "Being safe." he replied, winking at me. "This is fucking ridiculous!" I thought. "It's The Gov'nor you have to worry about." he laughed. I'd meet him for the interview................

Wanna know what happened at the interview?
 
I looked at the rules for DA and consent is not mentioned. Their policy says the following:
Tag your mature content
When we talk about mature content we are referring to submissions which some viewers may find offensive, distasteful, or otherwise undesirable to view or read. Most commonly this includes, but is not limited to, nudity, sexual themes, scenes of blood and gore, some generally violent themes, and certain ideologically sensitive topics.

I assume that the banned artists had no issue about tagging their work. So anyone with sensitivity to any of the above should have been properly warned.

Certainly the large majority of stories and art here on CF are non-consensual. I don't think people in the Roman Empire ran up to Roman officoials and said, "Please crucify me". Even Jesus, who supposedly sacrificed himself to save mankind didn't beg to be crucified and actually mounted a defense at his trial. Similarly with stories of torture in modern times.

At some we can protect everyone's feelings from every possible insult. Just look at the news-are I horrified and depressed by what I see? Good god, I should hope that any human being with an ounce of decency would be! So, yes, when there is a particularly bloody image, they will warn you, but they do and should show it so that we are all aware of what is going on.

Here is a link to my stories, both solo and with the very talented Barbaria. I will warn you that most contain non-consensual element.


Thank you for the links, I'll have a read.
 
But a particular website deciding they don't want BDSM stuff is not the beginning of the end of Freedom.
Nobody ever said that.
But stopping to care is always the beginning of the end.
It's exactly the attitude that made extreme right-wing, proto-fascist movements acceptable in many European countries and even brought them into paliaments in many.
There were alway 'more important things'.
And one or two idiots denying the Holocaust is not the end of freedom, isn't it?
And one or two pathologic liers will not manage to force a country out of EU, won't they?
And ... no better to stop.

But saying: 'There are more important things' is quite a lame excuse for telling other people not to do anything at all about the things they care about.
 
Nobody ever said that.
But stopping to care is always the beginning of the end.
It's exactly the attitude that made extreme right-wing, proto-fascist movements acceptable in many European countries and even brought them into paliaments in many.
There were alway 'more important things'.
And one or two idiots denying the Holocaust is not the end of freedom, isn't it?
And one or two pathologic liers will not manage to force a country out of EU, won't they?
And ... no better to stop.

But saying: 'There are more important things' is quite a lame excuse for telling other people not to do anything at all about the things they care about.

I agree with the general opinion, even though we might disagree on the details (for instance I'm all in favor of people denying the holocaust being allowed to say so and explain why, because, if opposing views are silenced, there's no way you can form a valid opinion on any matter. You can't determine if the 6th plan objectives have been reached if you're only allowed to read the Stalinist Pravda. Same with anything. And also because it also means that your own opinion on whatever could be silenced as well if it's unpopular.)

Yes, even though I'm a staunch supporter of an as large as possible freedom of expression, I would have cared little about whether or not porn/erotica producers were arbitrarily banned from some random internet website for some random reason, until I began to know them, and became one of them. And yes, random example, animal abuse might be less important than children dying of preventable diseases in developing countries, or the war in Syria, or climate change, or whatever. Doesn't mean that animal abuse, or here the attempts to impose one's norms and preferences on everybody else should be ignored. Or that it's wrong to dedicate time to an animal shelter. There are, as you say, always more important things. Why the fuck are we spending time on an erotica website instead of packing supplies for Ukrainians, for instance? Why am I not spending every dime I can spare to fund food relief instead of paying for an internet connection? Who on earth is spending all its energy only on the most important matters (assuming that we could determine which they are)? The answer is, essentially, nobody.

And also, there's this semi-famous quote about canaries. Which goes something like "porn is like the canary in a mine. It doesn't matter much, but when freedom of expression is threatened, it's the first one to die" (to explain the quote, miners used to keep birds in cages to alert them about accumulations of toxic gases).
 
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I agree with the general opinion, even though we might disagree on the details (for instance I'm all in favor of people denying the holocaust being allowed to say so and explain why, because, if opposing views are silenced, there's no way you can form a valid opinion on any matter. You can't determine if the 6th plan objectives have been reached if you're only allowed to read the Stalinist Pravda. Same with anything. And also because it also means that your own opinion on whatever could be silenced as well if it's unpopular.)

Yes, even though I'm a staunch supporter of an as large as possible freedom of expression, I would have cared little about whether or not porn/erotica producers were arbitrarily banned from some random internet website for some random reason, until I began to know them, and became one of them. And yes, random example, animal abuse might be less important than children dying of preventable diseases in developing countries, or the war in Syria, or climate change, or whatever. Doesn't mean that animal abuse, or here the attempts to impose one's norms and preferences on everybody else should be ignored. Or that it's wrong to dedicate time to an animal shelter. There are, as you say, always more important things. Why the fuck are we spending time on an erotica website instead of packing supplies for Ukrainians, for instance? Why am I not spending every dime I can spare to fund food relief instead of paying for an internet connection? Who on earth is spending all its energy only on the most important matters (assuming that we could determine which they are)? The answer is, essentially, nobody.

And also, there's this semi-famous quote about canaries. Which goes something like "porn is like the canary in a mine. It doesn't matter much, but when freedom of expression is threatened, it's the first one to die" (to explain the quote, miners used to keep birds in cages to alert them about accumulations of toxic gases).
Nobody ever said that.
But stopping to care is always the beginning of the end.
It's exactly the attitude that made extreme right-wing, proto-fascist movements acceptable in many European countries and even brought them into paliaments in many.
There were alway 'more important things'.
And one or two idiots denying the Holocaust is not the end of freedom, isn't it?
And one or two pathologic liers will not manage to force a country out of EU, won't they?
And ... no better to stop.

But saying: 'There are more important things' is quite a lame excuse for telling other people not to do anything at all about the things they care about.
I'm not getting political here. I don't want to do that because we'll all fall out with each other. Yes Odastein, that's important. I just want to say that I was reading someone's profile on Fetlife, which as you know is pretty much a hook up site for kinks. Sometimes people post lists of their desires and limits for real or role play, what they will and won't do. This lady posted her hard limits as Tories and Brexiteers. She made me laugh.

The thing is, different things are important, to different people. For us privileged westerners, well fed and sheltered as we are, art is important because it make us happy. Without the need to struggle and fight for life itself, art is what defines us. We can choose between urgent and important as if the two were different. Some poor bastards can't. How much do we want to help them?

I wonder if our consumerist lifestyles are the primary driver of the crisis we face. Isn't all about global capitalism in the end? How tangled up in the election which brought Trump to power were the Russians? Did the Republican party really support Xyulo - wanted by criminal international court in The Hague against Biden in a desperate attempt to discredit the Democrats, because they considered sacrificing Ukraine was worth it? How closely linked were our Brexiteers to the Republican will to destabilise Europe for economic gain? Could it be argued that Brexit actually contributed to the Russians' belief that they'd get away with it? Sitting in my little room here in middle England, I haven't got a clue. All I have is the fragile truth of television and the internet's murky intrigue to confuse and bewilder me. History's hindsight will reveal the disgrace I'm sure.

I can't afford to run the heating in my house because gas prices have escalated out of my reach. I have to ride my bicycle more because petrol prices have escalated too. Food prices will follow soon and before long, my life will be harder. I'm not complaining because as the economic sanctions against Russia hopefully bite, these things will be my solidarity with the Ukrainian people, they will be my sacrifice. The reason I won't be miserable is because my art, writing in my case, will keep me happy, because it's important to me.

There's a huge swell of support for the Ukrainian people on DA, as well as BDSM. It's perfectly possible to express support and become part of the universal condemnation of Russia's mistake anywhere on the internet, even on erotica websites like this. These forums exist because art is important. Each website has a collective conscience, so does the internet and there is real importance in that.

I think, if you sacrifice your art and you make yourself miserable, your negativity will drag us all down into despair. However, if you fill your head with the thrill of living, even if it's the erotic power of death which thrills you, you'll achieve the positivity we all need so much now.
 
This thread gets a bit gloomy sometimes, I'm just cheering us up. Here we go then, the interview.............

"Don't I get a phone call?" I asked. "You haven't been charged, you've only been arrested." The Gov'nor explained. I wanted to ring Jake and tell him what had happened, thinking he'd know someone heavy with influence who could tell this bunch of wankers I hadn't done anything. I was told I'd been brought in for this interview during which we would establish whether any wrong doing had been perpetrated, according to the 1959 obscene publications act. 1959 for fuck's sake! That's almost Victorian, times have changed haven't they?

We were in an interview room under a police station, which I had to be led through to the amusement of its staff. Apart from a table with the equipment which would record anything I said to be used later in court against me, and a computer monitor, it was bare except for our chairs. His was at the table, mine, opposite him, wasn't quite. For some reason I was still considered dangerous enough to need to be handcuffed. Unbelievably a young police woman brought us a cup of tea each but mine had a straw in it. "Fuckin' hell." I thought, "They're doing this on purpose!" an indicator that this was indeed an elaborate joke. The Gov'nor spun the monitor round so I could see it displayed my DA profile page, for which he must have known my password, perhaps it wasn't a joke then.

"FirebreathingAlison, is that you?" he asked seriously. Of course it was, "Yeah, so?" I said. He clicked "Favourites" and showed me all the images of fun filled, fantasy fetishism I'd collected. "Do you get off on this shit?" he almost shouted at me. "Everyone does it." I said, "There are thousands of collections like that." Unhappy with my answer he clicked "Gallery" and picked "Cafe Crusto" to read from.

"If ever I had to I always thought I'd bite, kick, scratch and scream so viciously even the most determined attacker would think twice about taking me on. Sadly my outrage wasn't enough to fuel my courage and in reality I was helpless. His grip on my hair was so tight he'd have broken my neck if he didn't rip my scalp off and he had a grip on my knickers, his probing fingers already working their way up my arse in spite of my resistance. His weight trapped me, wedged into the corner and in serious trouble, I dare not try to move. I felt his stubbly chin rough against my face as he whispered "Are you gonna behave?" Subdued and shaken, my voice wobbling I told him "Yes." too frightened to be anything but obedient."

"Did you write that?" he asked knowing I did. I had to tell him "Yes." "And the rest of this contemptible filth?" He shouted properly this time, clicking back to my gallery. "It's only fantasy, it's not real, it's only ......." I stopped myself saying "....fun" and called it "art" instead. "Art!" he roared and grabbed his mouse to bring up my journal. "Where's the art in this?" he cursed, continuing "Not real eh?"

Up came "53 page views? Why, there's nothing on here, how odd is that? What do those 53 people want to know? I'm not an artist, I don't appreciate art technically, I'm just blown away by the staggering beauty of some of the images on here. For me it's the theme or the content which makes me think “wow!” rather than the hard work necessary to achieve it. I have a rather more primal reason for gazing awestruck. My presence here is entirely passive but if you're the 54th page viewer I suppose I ought to make the effort and own up. So what happened was........" It was the first thing I ever wrote on DA and I didn't make it up.

What felt like an inquisition took a further dive into madness each time he picked a passage from my journal to throw back at me, accusing me of recounting my own personal history rather than inventing the wickedness. He became more angry with each thing he read. He lost his temper completely when he found "The lights took what felt like an hour to let me escape from standing on display at the pedestrian crossing in the midst of a hundred people. I could feel everyone look at me, just as I could feel the cold air waft across the sensitive skin between my thighs, right at the top! Oh how I wanted to pull the useless skirt down and hold it there, but I dare not because the public would know how uncomfortable I was, I'd make that a spectacle too.” "Is that fantasy, is that art?" he fumed, "You did it for real didn't you?" he accused me of. Stupidly I lied "No."

"Do you think we don't know? Every time you touch that keypad it's forever, every time you pollute the internet with your dirty little secrets we know." he raged, "We've been watching you, you slut." I know he was angry but calling me a slut wasn't fair. "I'm not!" I cried. He stood up, stormed round the table, picked up my tea and threw it over me. It wasn't hot enough to scald but I didn't have time to worry about that before he grabbed my hair. He lifted me out of my chair with it and slammed me down on the table. He pinned me there, twisting my head at the monitor and growled "Did you do that for real?" Another one of my wicked adventures was up on the screen. I was terrified. I admitted "Yes." and burst into tears. He dragged me off the table and let go of me, letting me fall to the floor at his feet. I was sure the psycho was going to beat me up and screamed "Help me!" "Shut up whore!" he yelled and swung his foot into my thigh as I tried to scramble away on my back.

I suffered a couple more kicks before he trapped me in the corner of the room. He stared down at me looking senseless with rage, with the most vicious expression of contempt on his face I'd ever seen. No one came and I dare not call out again. Well and truly subdued, I froze and waited for him to bring his anger under control, praying he'd be able to. He didn't say anything else. He took a deep breath, adjusted his trousers and went back to his seat. Mine had been knocked across the floor but I was too scared to move anyway. I watched him type something into the computer through my tears from my place on the floor thinking "Oh fuck, what have I done?"

Five minutes later I found out. My persecutor stood my chair up, put it next to the table and asked me wordlessly to sit in it. I took too long to struggle painfully to my feet so he roughly helped me. "Read that." he ordered, arranging the monitor for me. It said I had sought to corrupt the innocence of those for whom my journal was available outside DA's mature content policing procedures, by digitally publishing reports of my perverse and depraved activities in it, contrary to the 1959 act. I apparently conceded that my argument in my defence had no value because the inspiration for my puerile attempt at pornography was my own disgusting sexual behaviour and not in any way artistic. He made sure the recording equipment was still running and asked me to confirm that the text was a fair and truthful representation of my interview, closing his hands round my neck. "It is." he instructed me to say, clearly and loud enough to condemn myself. Just to make sure I understood the depth of the trouble I was in he quietly whispered "Or I'll give you the time of your worthless life, you twisted, godless slag!" in my ear.

I complied quickly, while I still could before he squeezed my throat hard enough to prevent it. "Who do you think I am?" I asked when he let go of me satisfied. He didn't give a shit about 1959, my confession was bollocks, surely it wouldn't be worth anything in a court of law. Shouldn't there have been a solicitor present? It can't have been proper procedure to have left me alone with this madman. Something was seriously wrong. "We know who you are." he said ominously. He called me poisonous, antisocial and unclean in a speech so full of malice and venom it made me shiver. "We?" I asked, my voice trembling, "Who are you?"

He said "Retribution."

There's more if anyone wants me to keep going.
 
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Of course!
You realise I only need half an excuse don't you? OK then, I'd better explain the back story to this. DA isn't just about the opportunity to display art, it's a community. I know my experience with writing isn't quite the same as those who post graphics but I find I get lots of messages from people who just want to talk to me, usually it's about kinky filth. Sometimes people want to write with me and then I have loads of fun. Alison did too.

This story was the result of her talking to a Spanish guy who thought she deserved to be punished for the failure of the Armada in 1588, like that was her fault? He thought being English was incriminating enough, so yes, she needed to be slapped for her smugness. They changed history so that Parma's Catholic army in Holland made it across the North Sea and occupied England. Of course this was followed by years of persecution as protestants were hunted down, often unfairly convicted of witchcraft or anything else the inquisitions fancied would do. A Hapsburg, Catholic regime was established which became the foundation of the alternative English nation. One of these witches was publicly tortured then thrown into a hole in the ground and left to rot.

450 years or so later, she gets apprehended for posting kink on DA which is watched by an organisation called The Catholic League. These people are a sort of secret society of the Catholic Church's chosen ones. They rule modern England from the board rooms of capitalism. They watch everything. They're the people who really do own the country just like the descendants of William the Conquerer's mates do now.

As you'll see from the story's third part, which I'll post below, she's fallen into the hands of The League. From here, the story loses its tenuous relevance to complaining about DA. I thought that if Wix looked bad, the bastards Alison's Spanish friend had in mind would look worse. Religious fundamentalism is always a scary thing. They threw her down that hole in the ground too and the tale becomes the story of her punishment. If I get time, I'll post more of the story in https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/filthy-kate.8435/page-9#post-676298

In the mean time...........

"Retribution!" I cried. "Why, what for?" I asked, crushed by the weight of such heavy trouble. "I've got rights.” I said, demanding some. It wasn't fair that I should be accused alone. I didn't understand what I'd done wrong. I couldn't defend myself against it, whatever it was, not intimidated like this. To be honest I had no idea what to say.

"Yes you have rights." my persecutor told me, "In law." He explained that in law I'd be given a chance to wriggle free through a swamp of technicalities, interpretations and the opinions of a hundred interested parties. Worse than that, I'd be given a voice to spread my message of destruction and depravity with, which would make trying to shut me up legally counter productive. "We're not in law, not the common law protecting a dirty little whore like you." he said. Society needed the security of a greater power than that. It wasn't enough that I should pay for my crimes against decency. Humanity would not remain pure if the ideas I sought to propagate were allowed to fester and grow unbridled, to rear their ugly heads again, infecting the minds of the gullible, insecure and impressionable souls I preyed upon. "It's only kinky sex.” I argued, timidly.

"It's filth!" he screamed at me. He dragged me out of my chair with my dressing gown and threw me up against the wall. "It's insidious, devious, wicked treachery, corroding the foundations of traditional family values!" He shouted that right into my face, spitting it at me. I could taste his saliva. I froze rigid, pinned in place by my armpits as he screamed "The weakness of men cannot be allowed to be exploited by gutter crawling low life like you!" "Oh my god.” I thought, "He's off his head!" We stared into each other's eyes, nose to nose so close I could hardly focus on the madness in his. I was breathing his angry breath, fixed.

For a long, terrifying moment he held me trembling. "Is this what you want?" he asked, calmer after his rage, then moved his right hand onto my left breast, pushing me against the wall by squashing it. He watched my face as it hurt me. My feet weren't quite on the floor and when he grabbed my right breast as well I slid down an inch or so. It allowed him to change his grip. He lifted me back up by my crotch, preventing me from falling sideways with his other hand on my throat. I suffered in silence rather than provoke his anger again. "Is this temptation?" he asked, "Is that what you're doing? Are you trying to poison me too?" he hissed at me.

The fingers of his right hand moved as my weight forced me onto them and he tightened his left round my neck. I knew my knickers wouldn't save me from the worst he could inflict for long, then he stopped me breathing. I waited in agony for him to let me go, terrified his unpredictability might make my ordeal worse. "You smell like filth." he said watching me endure his control over me. He waited until my distress became almost unbearable, then accepted my intimidation was complete. He dropped me, gasping, at his feet for the second time.

"You see Mrs Woodford," he said as if there was a point to torturing me, "It's not enough that you promise not to be the home wrecking harlot again, something you so love to play. Sorry isn't going to repair the damage you caused. We have to convert you, set you on the path of righteousness and make you good again. You're a dark angel Alison, we need to show you the light. But first, it's necessary to show you how dark the darkness can be."

"This is a nightmare!" I thought. Storybook heroines always think that when it’s all gone tits up and the villain is about to slash them to ribbons. I've written that, it's normal but this cannot be happening for real, and a nightmare is all I can call it. Who the hell is this fuckin' maniac? He turned away from me, leaving me in a crumpled heap at the base of the wall. My dressing gown had fallen off my shoulders, slipped down my arms and was tangled round my feet. Rather than attract his attention by trying to extricate myself I lay still, with nowhere to go anyway. He returned to the computer, typed in something, waited and then seemed satisfied.

Having dealt with me clerically he got up and walked back towards me, looking at me, not as if he wanted my attention but as if he wanted to deal with me physically as well. I watched as he bent down to pick up one of my ankles and grab hold of my robe. My imaginary heroine might have kicked herself free, just as I'd thought of doing on the stairs when all this started. I was simply pissed off then but this was grave, this was serious trouble and my fragile courage had dissolved.

I let myself be dragged across the floor, so scared I stayed there while he let go of me to open the door. Ashamed I'd been such a pushover, I almost offered him my leg to help him resume dragging me relentlessly down the corridor, not through the police station but the other way, out into the car park at the rear. Friction rolled up my vest top, my tits fell out of it and I cried out in pain as the right one caught on the back door's threshold, my own weight trapping it momentarily. He scraped my nipples across the stones and grit outside for a few yards then dumped me.

"This is it Ali, this is your last chance to escape!" I thought. I was out in the open. My fictitious heroine would have seized the opportunity to at least make a drama out of trying to get away, for the sake of the story. I thought about what this psychopathic nut case would do to her if she didn't make it and lay still defeated and crying.

Through the tears I saw him walk to a car. He opened the boot and reached in to get something. I couldn't see clearly enough to fathom out what until he pointed it at me. It was a gun! "Oh fuck!" I thought, "He's going to shoot me!" Instinctively I curled up. How pointless is that? The gun fired and instantly I felt something thump hard into my thigh and a violent, vicious sting. I expected my leg to be smashed but it wasn't, neither was I drenched in my own blood. In horror I looked down to find a little plastic tube with a fluffy pink tuft on the end, a tranquilliser dart.

"Oh god please help me." I prayed. Stupid really, I'm a non believer but we've all been to school and we’re conditioned to express desperation that way. Help from anyone would do. I looked up at him pleading "Why?" but the malice on his face dismissed me, I didn't deserve explanation. "You're fucked now!" I watched him think, smiling at me. Perhaps I could have pulled the dart out if that would have made a difference but I accepted I'd already been poisoned. I was sure he had another one anyway.

Calmly he put the gun back in the boot, closed it and sat down on the lid, folding his arms to watch helplessness overcome me. My thundering, terrified heart would pump the poison into my brain quickly and there wasn't any need for impatience. "Why?" I kept thinking, "Where's the reason in this?" While I could still focus I could see him laughing at me, remotely as I lay on the ground maybe ten yards away. Overwhelming fatigue came a few minutes later and I stopped caring. Then I just stopped.
 
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