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Nailing Feet
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naildance
Magistrate
How
how long is it possible to remain living for you?probably far more hours or even days than I might have liked.
malins
Stumbling Seeker
I'd think, if the one doing it wants it to be so, as it's shown by the x-ray examples, the process of nailing the feet could be a lot less painful than any nail going through the wrist which just won't work without horrible damage.
How things would then continue when the weight is put on, I have no idea, of course. For certain just nailing through the palm would be least painful at all, but, that won't hold the weight, will it?
Anyway suprisingly large nails are sometimes driven through bones for medical purpose. They usually have euphemistic names, like 'Steinmann pin', but when this is high quality stainless steel, it is probably not that much weaker than one of those iron crucifixion nails...
Go to the 3:30 mark at
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61eekzW1qo
Tell me that doesn't make you queasy! No pain thanks to anesthesia. I have no idea what this feels like later for the patient.
Has anyone here ever had a bone pin like this?
No I never have...
Are you trying to make me puke my Seagram's? (Fucking condemned bitch... wait till she finds what Joan Tree does to her at Scandals Resort!!!)
Tree
malins
Stumbling Seeker
It's bearable. Traction added at the end is marked 20lb, now that is of course much much less than body weight, but well! it's done for healing, not torture! - and there is no concern at all about damage to the solidity of the bone.
For the heel-bone (calcaneus) it's put here. It's a place where force can be applied and there is no nerve/tendon damage.
You would have a wire attached to that pin that goes over a pulley to the set of weights. (Traditionally, iron discs, those water-bag things are newer). It's attached so any rotation of the nail inside the bone is avoided (it's not supposed to be torture!). Calcaneus traction is used for some kinds of lower leg fractures. This is how it was done until about 1970's everywhere, and it still is in many places, where there's an organized health system but you can't spend all too much on the most modern equipment.
All of this of course has nothing to do with crucifixion but shows that you can put rather big metal things through bones and add some amount of weight with no bad side effects... here, you are deciding to nail healthy bone only in order to gain a traction point to assist in the proper healing of the destroyed bones.
Once the insertion is done and the traction is set up you just have that nail there for as how long it takes. Depending on the injury the traction may be kept up for 6 or 8 weeks until that nail comes out.
Anyway of course what we see here in the video is drilling.
That's quite different from the shattering you would get when, for "cross-purposes", you just hammer a huge spike through something like the heel-bone.
So if (in fantasy) an ancient crucifier wanted that situation, a stably placed nail through such a bone, the approach might be different.
He will not have a medical power-drill to make that hole...
Instead of violently hammering in a big pointy spike, he might use something a bit more chisel-like, and also apply it so. I would be thinking of a round nail.
Instead of BANG BANG BREAK SHATTER, it would be:
Tap, rotate chisel 90 degrees, Tap, rotate, Tap, rotate and repeat...
With no anaesthesia this certainly would be horrifying for the victim - as we want our crux to be - both through the pain and the rather prolonged sensation of what is being done.
(In fact if you've got only local anaesthesia the sense of the vibrations and gratings being conducted up away from the "work site" can be a distressing experience even if you feel absolutely no pain)
But the end result might just be a channel through that bone which could be used to stably mount the victim.
I just can't say how much weight might be supported on that without that the bone would crumble.
As I've said in that thread, the classical huge square Roman nails wouldn't be good for this, perhaps it's a method for a crux-positive society with better metallurgy, or a planned ceremony where specially made nails are used.
"Show her the instruments!"
Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!
To retreat back to the safer shores of fantasy, I'm trying to dream up a crucifixion for my story that will be in the end still non-lethal but rather torturing. The method above will probably be tried on a victim. On Roxie's question, yes.
Are you KIDDING me!!!!
eeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwww!
And THAT children is why I don't work in the health industry.
malins
Stumbling Seeker
Anyway, I remember that I wrote for my crucifixion, that when the nail comes out the other side, the skin will 'pitch out like a tent' before the nail emerges.
You can see that happen in the video Roxie posted from about 3:53 onwards, that's what I mean when I say that.
crumera
Crucifier of Pixels
yep nails are hammered thru hands and feet, but she doesn't put any weight on them.
So yes it does hurt, but for agony put all weight of the body on the nails.
In the video if any weight is put on the nails they will tear out of the wood.
It seems they are hardly pentrating the wood for more then a few milimeters
So yes it does hurt, but for agony put all weight of the body on the nails.
In the video if any weight is put on the nails they will tear out of the wood.
It seems they are hardly pentrating the wood for more then a few milimeters
gunslinger
Spectator
Anyone who has ever worked with wood knows that these wooden washers whould have to be pre-drilled or the wood would split as the square nail was driven through. Even a round hole would split open if driving a square nail through it.
I think it is more likley that special nails with extra large heads were used for crucifixion as portrayed in the film “Risen” where the nails gad a washer like head on them. Wood could be used if the wooden washers were pre-drilled and round nails were used but I think nails specially forged with larger heads was more than likely the case, if these were unavilable than there was always rope which I think was more common than we think, it took longer to die using rope and prolonged the humiliation and suffering which was the object of Roman crucifixions.-gunslinger
old slave
FELIS RESPICIENS
Nails will add an extra source of agony, is very dramatic to watch, and gives a better sense of permanence than rope alone. If however there are only nails with smallish heads (and a prisoner's wounds are likely to increase in size with the writhing), a few turns of rope in addition will prevent a limb from getting free.
danielm09
Magistrate
I love that foot. Just worship my feet before you nail them is my request
Knees bent 'just so' and both her feet flat to the upright separately and nailed I do believe a washer, an iron washer, ought be on the head of each nail to pin her feet flat to the upright.
It's about esthetics but its also about putting her in a position that optimizes her struggle- make her dance! The bent knees, her feet seperate and flat . For a few reasons this positioning will optimize her dance on that cross.
It's about esthetics but its also about putting her in a position that optimizes her struggle- make her dance! The bent knees, her feet seperate and flat . For a few reasons this positioning will optimize her dance on that cross.
MARTYR
Assistant executioner
I think that wort suffer is BAre you talking A) feet pressed soles flat against the side (legs spread open) of the stipes, or B) the sides of the feet against the stipes and the nail driven in from the side of the foot? (Damn, it sounds like I'm asking if this is an African or European Swallow, sorry.) Because if the nail is driven from the side through the heel or ankle, it would rotate on the nail every time you pushed up.
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gunslinger
Spectator
I am going to politely disagree here, I think nailing one foot over the other would be quite possible if three executioners were used,two holding and one nailing,the first nail would go through the one foot held aghenst upright of the cross , when the nail came out of the bottom of the first foot the holder of that foot would place it over the other being held by the other executioner and the man nailing would then drive the nail through the bottom foot securing both to the upright! I have worked with spikes in construction for years and this method done by a trained team of exicutioners is entirely possible and would cause terrible agony in the process. I also think this method would be used when a rapid death was desired as on Good Friday as it would make using the legs to push up and breath terribly difficult and make the onset of suffocation much more rapid. If death did not intervene in the desired amount of time the breaking of the legs would insure that it did.
LittleSiss
Sorceress
Seriously, they could do whatever they wanted. I was simply saying ... why? If it was to save nails ... just tie the hands!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have never noticed that one hip is tilted? The waist is always narrow? It's artistic licence, plain as day.
GabriellaSivilla
Governor
Indeed she does not seem to suffer much. It seems that the nails to do not reach the wood, tough. Maybe they just pierce the skin but do not penetrate deep?
chelior
Magistrate
Look well, when the nails are hammered. They are pushed deep through the feet, at least 3 or 4 cm.
And listen carefully : the sound for the last hammer blow is not the same as for others ; at this moment, the nails have reached the wood, that is harder.