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...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...
No Andyman ! That's what I felt similarly sometimes too when I did my creations, for me...I felt myself shameless and perverted and at one point I run away from here and my creations. But that'a part of me still and I couldnt deny it ... now I accept myself and just the God or mindfulness flows in you as once Eul advised me (in my own understanding). Actually we dont have to deny to it, I feel we have to see it deeply, carefully and mindfully. There is still purest part inside us and it will never disappear :)
 
...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...
I can understand you. Sometimes I'm also afraid of what I like, downloading the Crux pics, taking the photos of my wife, etc.. But it's only a fantasy, beautiful side of ancient method of execution. Yeas, in reality it's brutal, but in dreams it's another case. You are a very good artist, your work is all nice:clapping:go on like this:):)
 
...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...
Exactly, a matter of imagination. Just think of, say, how many people GRR Martin has killed so far in A Song of Ice and Fire, and he's just one of quite a few mass-murdering writers. :)
 
...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...
...but you will be loved and admired....... and you are already pretty cruel... in your imagination. I suppose most of us are rather nice guys and here we just evacuate our dark side, our frustrations. Better to do that here that in RL..... Please, Andy, be nice, be cruel, you have a public, we admire you.....:clap::clap2::clapclap::clap::clap::clap2::clap2::clap2::wave::clapclap::clapclap::clapclap::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::crazylick::crazylick::crazylick::eaea::eaea::eaea::eaea::cheer::cheer::cheer::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...
Well it's the same with us...I never would do cruelty.... but therefore exists imagination...and I suffered in my youth because even to imagine some things was forbidden...With a girl friend at school we imagine how the body of our teacher would looks like when naked.... We spoke too loud..... so it was a drama
 
...... and I think we over estimtated some parts of men anatomy.....:jump1:

It’s also interesting if the teacher you’re imagining naked is a nun. :devil:

Andyman, getting off on naked women nailed to crosses is at best unsettling. But art as a outlet for it is ideal. It’s when you start making plans to actually nail naked women (or men) to crosses that you need to call a mental health hotline or the cops.

Me, I envy the heck out of you because you have that artistic outlet. People like me are stuck with our own imaginations, and have to pester people like you to give form to the images in our heads.

By the way, thanks for that.

Lots.
 
It’s also interesting if the teacher you’re imagining naked is a nun. :devil:

Andyman, getting off on naked women nailed to crosses is at best unsettling. But art as a outlet for it is ideal. It’s when you start making plans to actually nail naked women (or men) to crosses that you need to call a mental health hotline or the cops.

Me, I envy the heck out of you because you have that artistic outlet. People like me are stuck with our own imaginations, and have to pester people like you to give form to the images in our heads.

By the way, thanks for that.

Lots.
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...but I am not sure if I could love myself after all that stuff. Sometimes I feel terrified with my own cruelty and mercilessness, even if it's only a matter of imagination and not of being real executioner...

It's understandable that you should feel this sometimes, natural. We see ourselves as good people, and we are. How can we have these feelings? How can we wish harm on another like this? But this is imagination, fantasy. This is a safety valve even, a means of letting off steam, of allowing parts of yourself to express themselves in a harmless way. No one was harmed by these drawings.

There is also more than one way to look at them. Yes you depict torture and suffering. But we the viewer have many different responses to waht you present. Some may enjoy seeing the depiction of pain inflicted. Some may imagine themselves as the victim. Others may feel real sympathy, feel drawn to the nobility or stoicism of the subjects. They may feel repelled by the cruel crowds that you depict, or they may imagine their own reaction if they found themselves in that crowd. A safe way to explore feelings, to vicariously inhabit other ways of looking at the world.

One of your talents is presenting normal looking women, suffering in what to us now are abnormal ways. It is refreshingly differnt to so much crux art, and brings it home more, makes it more real, more relatable.

We question ourselves because orthodoxy says that our interest is odd, wrong somehow. But we are such a normal, pleasant bunch of people (if I do say so myself), and I can't help feeling that we are all healthier for our shared time in this forum.
 
It's understandable that you should feel this sometimes, natural. We see ourselves as good people, and we are. How can we have these feelings? How can we wish harm on another like this? But this is imagination, fantasy. This is a safety valve even, a means of letting off steam, of allowing parts of yourself to express themselves in a harmless way. No one was harmed by these drawings.

There is also more than one way to look at them. Yes you depict torture and suffering. But we the viewer have many different responses to waht you present. Some may enjoy seeing the depiction of pain inflicted. Some may imagine themselves as the victim. Others may feel real sympathy, feel drawn to the nobility or stoicism of the subjects. They may feel repelled by the cruel crowds that you depict, or they may imagine their own reaction if they found themselves in that crowd. A safe way to explore feelings, to vicariously inhabit other ways of looking at the world.

One of your talents is presenting normal looking women, suffering in what to us now are abnormal ways. It is refreshingly differnt to so much crux art, and brings it home more, makes it more real, more relatable.

We question ourselves because orthodoxy says that our interest is odd, wrong somehow. But we are such a normal, pleasant bunch of people (if I do say so myself), and I can't help feeling that we are all healthier for our shared time in this forum.

Phlebas you have perfectly explained the reasoning, means, and results of why I came to this forum. I have been looking for a way to explore this inner part of me and was glad to find a way to express this part of me in a way that would not harm anyone but more importantly have people around me who share the same ideal thereby knowing I have the strength of support from the people within this forum. Thank you Phlebas and to everyone.
 
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