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ShadowWolf said:
Phlebas you have perfectly explained the reasoning, means, and results of why I came to this forum. I have been looking for a way to explore this inner part of me and was glad to find a way to express this part of me in a way that would not harm anyone but more importantly have people around me who share the same ideal thereby knowing I have the strength of support from the people within this forum. Thank you Phlebas and to everyone.
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I think it was exactly the same for me, in the youth we saw nearly every week a portrait (Rubens for ex.) of a crucified man... When the first sexual minds came up, the erotic idea of being exposed fully naked came up in these portraits..... Some other girls tried to smuggle it from their brains other ones:facepalm:....developed it ....and assumed it in their live...but it was and is still not easy , even I never hurt myself or other ones in any sexual crux plays, and with adults consensual
 
phlebas said:
It's understandable that you should feel this sometimes, natural. We see ourselves as good people, and we are. How can we have these feelings? How can we wish harm on another like this? But this is imagination, fantasy. This is a safety valve even, a means of letting off steam, of allowing parts of yourself to express themselves in a harmless way. No one was harmed by these drawings.

There is also more than one way to look at them. Yes you depict torture and suffering. But we the viewer have many different responses to waht you present. Some may enjoy seeing the depiction of pain inflicted. Some may imagine themselves as the victim. Others may feel real sympathy, feel drawn to the nobility or stoicism of the subjects. They may feel repelled by the cruel crowds that you depict, or they may imagine their own reaction if they found themselves in that crowd. A safe way to explore feelings, to vicariously inhabit other ways of looking at the world.

One of your talents is presenting normal looking women, suffering in what to us now are abnormal ways. It is refreshingly differnt to so much crux art, and brings it home more, makes it more real, more relatable.

We question ourselves because orthodoxy says that our interest is odd, wrong somehow. But we are such a normal, pleasant bunch of people (if I do say so myself), and I can't help feeling that we are all healthier for our shared time in this forum.
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Excellent explaining of our dreams and fantasy. Totally agree with you Phlebas.
 
"May the wrath of the Deity be on you, may you die a thousand deaths, may you be hung in the vilest valleys of Hell... may the mercy of God disappear from you here..." simply because you didn't want to be beaten, raped and humiliated day after day by your master. That's what we, Romans, really want to communicate to you while stripping you naked and hammering to the cross with nails and leaving you to the longest and most cruel agony. But of course on your titulus we wrote simply "Agnes, a disobedient slave".
 

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Andyman said:
"How others see me" / "How I see myself", as in the classic meme.
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This reminds me of a thread that's been quiet for a while:

http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/victims-eye-view.4865/

I opened that thread with the idea that we don't see a great many images
showing a 'victim's eye view' (or, for HangingTree's benefit, 'malefactor's eye view ;)) -
what a crucified woman sees - as she reaches her Golgotha, as she lies on her cross
to be nailed, as she's being raised, as she hangs there...

looking down, my slowly heaving, sweat-soaked, scourge-scarred breasts,
my nailed feet, blood trickling down the upright to the stony soil, the weeds, the bones;
looking to one side, my stretched arm, my poor, nailed wrist, my fingers clutching futilely;
looking up, the crows, the vultures, the blinding sun...
 
Eulalia said:
This reminds me of a thread that's been quiet for a while:

http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/victims-eye-view.4865/

I opened that thread with the idea that we don't see a great many images
showing a 'victim's eye view' (or, for HangingTree's benefit, 'malefactor's eye view ;)) -
what a crucified woman sees - as she reaches her Golgotha, as she lies on her cross
to be nailed, as she's being raised, as she hangs there...

looking down, my slowly heaving, sweat-soaked, scourge-scarred breasts,
my nailed feet, blood trickling down the upright to the stony soil, the weeds, the bones;
looking to one side, my stretched arm, my poor, nailed wrist, my fingers clutching futilely;
looking up, the crows, the vultures, the blinding sun...
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I find Your posts always intelligent and poetic ! Thanks
 
Few tree crucifixions. Being bound to a tree may sound not very terrific but in fact it is the same starving naked on display waiting for wild dogs or wolves as when you're bound to the low cross. An addition of a shortened or sharpened branch as a sedile could make this torture a full-scale punishment, though the preparations of the "gallows" and of the victim are reduced to nearly nothing and if you are in hurry you can execute her within a two minutes or so.
 

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