She's very informative. Are you sure that isn't @Eulalia ?
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The Slave Rags Fashion Mag
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Zungur
Governor
Sorry, I would not know. All this stuff is very modern for me and those Greek and Roman names were just of 'Minor' interest during my student times. I guess the loincloth in all its variants to wear it just had one single denotation, after all it really is nothing than a rectangular piece of cloth that you can wrap around yourself however you want ('bum rag?
) .But maybe some of the really knowledgable people here, like @Eulalia might know more.
Zungur
Governor
Ah! How could I miss this opportunity?!?
Certainly one of the same spirit.
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
At last an appropriate on-topic fashion thread on this forums!
mark sessnatz
Tribune
It's about both! Anything a slave would wear and a freewoman wouldn't is fair game! Loving how educational this thread is getting and I apologize for my imprecise terminology...
This slave girl seems pretty well educated! Does she belong to a seamstress?
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Anything, a slavewoman should wear.... But I would not oppose if a freewoman would wear it to!
Zungur
Governor
That's wrong. All the garments shown up to now, are standard wear for men and women, free or slaves. There was never a clear distinction made. Also optical markers like collars, were rarely used.Anything, a slavewoman should wear.... But I would not oppose if a freewoman would wear it to!
Slavery in (antique) reality was very different from our BDSM ideas.
Myrlena, 'the girl with the golden hair' on Deviant Art - still my favourite Gorean model, and 'kajira of the fields' is the best of all.
That's a delightful series, Zungur. As I've commented in Another Place - #4 especially shows how tuned-in you are to what it is makes girls like me dream of being slaves!
On the matter of 'tunics', I'd quote the Concise Oxford, sense 2 (sense 1 is the military shirt, a different kind of tunic) - 'a loose, sleeveless garment reaching to about the knees', i.e. like the nice brown one I'm wearing in my avatar, though well above my knees. Your #4 is essentially a tunic - and (as you say in the version you posted on DA) 'you have a belt, with which you can reduce length and increase sexiness, once daddy is out of sight'!
@Zungur I'll take the liberty of posting your 'expanded' version of #4:
Love this! But, being a pedantic little wise-ass slavegirl, subligaculum was originally a loincloth worn as underwear - from sub-ligere 'wind around under'. Femoralia (from femur, thigh) was used in later Latin for trunks.
Good question. I don't think there was. I think something like lumbaria would have been used for a cloth wrapped around the loins, whether it was tucked under or hung loose as a skirt (I can only find later Latin lumbare, from when word-endings were changing).
Zungur
Governor
I think here we rather see differences in research tradition and definitions in British and German historical sciences, than real differences in the use of words in antiquity.
And for those who are not familiar with the subject: no, in humanities and especially sciences (yes, sciences, not arts) English language and definitions are *not' the worldwide accepted standard as in technical stuff (which is called science in English). French, Italian and German are still no less important than English).
The world is complex!
Anyway: I am going to use what I learned (even so I was pasying very little attention then, because I always found female students of clasical culutre much more interesting than what the professors were blabbing about).
And you @Eulalia , you are most welcome to appear in the pictures and correct this cheeky little brat, Ancilla
Loinclothslave
slave to the whip
“Lumbariaslave” doesn’t quite have the same zing for me though?
mark sessnatz
Tribune
I would think as a slave it's not your privilege to decide that! Your master decides what does and doesn't have zing around here!
mark sessnatz
Tribune
Today we've got a transported convict, am obedient household servant, and a penitent prisoner
(That BareMaidens shoot is an all-timer IMO)
(That BareMaidens shoot is an all-timer IMO)
Loinclothslave
slave to the whip
You understand this slave very well, of course it simply must obey! it only understands obedience and surrender…
Loxuru
Graf von Kreuzigung
Not to mention 'Sublicagulumslave'!
Lumbariservus?Not to mention 'Sublicagulumslave'!
“Lumbariaslave” doesn’t quite have the same zing for me though?
Love these! I think lumbus, lumbar- survives mostly in the lumbar regions where you get lumbago. But the origin of the 'lump words in the Germanic languages is obscure. I suppose our lumbar regions can get a bit lumpy!