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Sir Henry said:
Everything you say is correct, Rupert, and I can see that you know what you're talking about.
I only have one sentence of yours to criticise: You write (quote) ‘In fact, EP doesn't seem to understand that...’

As someone who has some insight into these EP processes in Hungary, I can assure you that they know exactly what they are doing and why old rules have been changed (and will probably continue to be modified in the future):
Previous productions, read: fees, have risen disproportionately in recent years. It's all about the money, of course. As nobody is forced to take part (because that would be a criminal offence), you have to lure the women in with a lot of money. I have already written here in CF elsewhere about the immense sums a strong tapered model can earn in one session. Tax-free, of course (if it's not an agency model). And in order to be able to lure and save at the same time, this procedure, these rules of the game, have been invented. They hope and speculate on cancellation on the part of the model, who then of course only receives part of the possible fee.
Of course, these are models who play along voluntarily and are not forced to do so. At least not under physical duress and they are not pimps who send their hookers there.
But in fact, there is a lot of psychological coercion involved here and these are not models who are wealthy or earn well outside this S&M world, but mostly women with little or no income, some of whom are also drug or alcohol addicts. Unfortunately, there are more than enough of them in Hungary (no offence to this wonderful country!), so that they can choose the most attractive ones from all the applicants.
Years ago, I myself drove a lady to Budapest for such a session and back home again, which, incidentally, was my initial contact with the dark SM-scene there. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I found out what she earned for exactly 28 minutes of hellish agony (in cash!)...! I would use the phrase "a small fortune".

As a long-time and experienced BDSMer, I say that this is all legally correct, no legal law is broken.
Morally and ethically, however, it is nothing more than a modern form of sexual exploitation of women, and a very brutal one at that - even if they put up with it of their own accord. The women in question know this, the makers of these scenes and films know this and all of us, men and women, who watch these films (and I am no exception!) should be aware of this.
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I don't disagree with you either, Sir Henry, and I find your background information very interesting! :)

Certainly, in Hungary no rules are broken when making these otherwise high-quality films... but only in Hungary!
And yet, according to the usual European standards, these are probably immoral contracts between EP and models (victims in financial difficulties).

A spontaneous example: Who knows all the 'lucky cards' in CoP - a really thick stack - has it ever been laid face up on the table?
There are surprisingly often the typical crash cards: double all, extra round dom's choice, restart from the beginning...
In addition, there are individual doublers within a round (that may mean the lashes times 4, in case of extra rounds times 8 - objectively immoral!).
I only once saw the card 'halve everything' and the game leader's reaction was, "we've never had that before!"
So all the other (un)lucky cards are in the stack multiple times, but how often?

I'm for tough but fair competitions, and then they will certainly find women who will play for a little less money.
And as for the supposedly large selection of interested women - somehow we always find the same 'players'.
I'd like to see Nikki again, for example, but she won't come back because - after a painful experience - she has seen through the deliberately unfair rules.

The dominas are certainly a matter of taste, I don't like them, others are enthusiastic...
But I still stick to my opinion: lucky cards that deliberately stop the game are no fun for anyone, least of all the people who watch and pay for these films :(
 
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Rupert_137 said:
I don't disagree with you either, Sir Henry, and I find your background information very interesting! :)

Certainly, in Hungary no rules are broken when making these otherwise high-quality films... but only in Hungary!
And yet, according to the usual European standards, these are probably immoral contracts between EP and models (victims in financial difficulties).

A spontaneous example: Who knows all the 'lucky cards' in CoP - a really thick stack - has it ever been laid face up on the table?
There are surprisingly often the typical crash cards: double all, extra round dom's choice, restart from the beginning...
In addition, there are individual doublers within a round (that may mean the lashes times 4, in case of extra rounds times 8 - objectively immoral!).
I only once saw the card 'halve everything' and the game leader's reaction was, "we've never had that before!"
So all the other (un)lucky cards are in the stack multiple times, but how often?

I'm for tough but fair competitions, and then they will certainly find women who will play for a little less money.
And as for the supposedly large selection of interested women - somehow we always find the same 'players'.
I'd like to see Nikki again, for example, but she won't come back because - after a painful experience - she has seen through the deliberately unfair rules.

The dominas are certainly a matter of taste, I don't like them, others are enthusiastic...
But I still stick to my opinion: lucky cards that deliberately stop the game are no fun for anyone, least of all the people who watch and pay for these films :(
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Personally, I get on very well with dominatrix colleagues in our circles, we communicate, have respectful and polite contact with each other, but as a dom I belong to the "opposite side" and really can't do anything with dominant ladies: Fire on fire - that can't work. :nono:
But that's just a side note.

I don't like the ‘dominas’ at EP & Co. either (too arrogant, too patronising), but whoever likes it...

However, I have now become aware of Nikki through your commendable post and your statement that she would probably not come back has made me curious.
According to my BDSM Model list Hungary, she is a freelance model, so not tied to an agency, which has both advantages and disadvantages for private (amateur) models.
I'll try to find out more about her. Depending on what information I get, I'll be happy to let you know via PM.
 
AI ... Artificial "Intelligence" my arse!
One may argue about the term ‘intelligence’... but never mind.
My question to Mr or Mrs Kindinov would be much more serious:

Very nice motif, no question. But don't you check your pictures after completion? Or do you leave the control to the AI itself? Or do the pictures change afterwards in a mysterious way by themselves?
Did the uniformed black man with the conspicuously small head grow a second little arm afterwards? Why is the whip handler's left arm longer than his right arm? What about the hands of the standing delinquent and the anatomical no-gos of two of the other bitches?

For example, I'm used to 6 fingers on one hand and missing nipples etc. from the AI, but it's really no fun anymore...
 

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Sir Henry said:
Wonderful pictures!!!
But strange: This ominous inexplicable urge in me to go up to the attic immediately... weird!
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Sir Henry said:
FUCK!
There's nothing in my attic except old junk, mouse poo, the skeleton of a former pigeon and dust!
Not even one single tied up woman...
You and your empty promises, Shamefan! Shame on you!
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The best part of this bit is the ellipsis of time between the two posts, implying you actually did go up into your attic and look
 
Sir Henry said:
AI ... Artificial "Intelligence" my arse!
One may argue about the term ‘intelligence’... but never mind.
My question to Mr or Mrs Kindinov would be much more serious:

Very nice motif, no question. But don't you check your pictures after completion? Or do you leave the control to the AI itself? Or do the pictures change afterwards in a mysterious way by themselves?
Did the uniformed black man with the conspicuously small head grow a second little arm afterwards? Why is the whip handler's left arm longer than his right arm? What about the hands of the standing delinquent and the anatomical no-gos of two of the other bitches?

For example, I'm used to 6 fingers on one hand and missing nipples etc. from the AI, but it's really no fun anymore...
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This is why I prefer pictures of real women as opposed to AI.
 
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The best part of this bit is the ellipsis of time between the two posts, implying you actually did go up into your attic and look
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Damn, Mark, I WAS in the fucking attic looking for chicks! What's there to laugh about, eh?
 
As you can see, I'm travelling more often by train again.
Not in the dining car or couchette compartment, not even in the sleeper compartment, but in the whipping compartment.
I'm just waiting two or three minutes, 'cause I love to start my railway whipping sessions in the long tunnel we're about to travel through...
(There are also more women on the train than in my old attic. By the way).
 

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As you can see, I'm travelling more often by train again.
Not in the dining car or couchette compartment, not even in the sleeper compartment, but in the whipping compartment.
I'm just waiting two or three minutes, 'cause I love to start my railway whipping sessions in the long tunnel we're about to travel through...
(There are also more women on the train than in my old attic. By the way).
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"Bahnfart"....snort giggle !!
(sorry,it's set-off my smutty schoolboy humour,the obvious double entendré....lost in translation)
 
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