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Ammianus Marcellinus, Rerum Gestae 28.1.28

28 Not even women were more immune from similar calamities. For many of high birth belonging to this sex too were charged with the disgrace of adultery or of fornication, and put to death. Conspicuous among these were Charitas and Flaviana, of whom the latter, when she was led to death, was stripped of the clothing which she wore, being allowed not even to keep sufficient covering for the secret parts of her body. But for that reason the executioner was convicted of having committed a monstrous crime, and was burned alive.

(C. Rolfe's translation in Loeb Classical Library)
But, was the "monstrous crime" executing a woman in the nude, or executing a "high born" woman in the nude?
The laws of Rome - and most societies - set different standards for the punishment of nobles and commoners. Execution of a noble woman in the same manner as a slave would have been sufficiently offensive to call for the executioner's punishment.

According to legend, Paul, as a Roman citizen was executed by beheading. Peter, a non-citizen, was crucified, upside down, and most likely in the nude.
 
The incident was during the reign of Valentinian I, 364-375, he was Christian (which is why Ammianus had a low opinion of him), though not aggressively so. Attitudes were changing - certainly treating a 'high-born' woman that way was more shocking than if she'd been a slave (are attitudes today so different? For slave read 'poor, non-white'?), but a general revulsion against nudity was spreading.
 
But, was the "monstrous crime" executing a woman in the nude, or executing a "high born" woman in the nude?
The laws of Rome - and most societies - set different standards for the punishment of nobles and commoners. Execution of a noble woman in the same manner as a slave would have been sufficiently offensive to call for the executioner's punishment.

According to legend, Paul, as a Roman citizen was executed by beheading. Peter, a non-citizen, was crucified, upside down, and most likely in the nude.

Yes, I think if I were a high born Roman sentenced to death along with my slaves, I would expect that propriety insist that I be allowed to wear at least a loin cloth as I suffered through a slow and agonizing death up on my cross. It would ensure that my slave attendants, crucified nude on either side of me, would be distinguishable from me, and would pay at least some respect to my higher station in life prior to my crime of treason.
 
That's delightful! Alice's expression seems to suit the theme so well.
What's she holding? Holly is one plant that's said to symbolise hope,
so maybe Christmas was the right time :)
Thanks. I do not know what the plant is - it is not very distinct in Puvis' original painting and doesn't show up well against the green background, which is why I gave it better definition in my version. No red berries, but something which appears like white buds or berries, which made me consider mistletoe. Anyway, it is supposed to symbolise peace. Perhaps somebody out there has the answer?
 
Ammianus Marcellinus, Rerum Gestae 28.1.28

28 Not even women were more immune from similar calamities. For many of high birth belonging to this sex too were charged with the disgrace of adultery or of fornication, and put to death. Conspicuous among these were Charitas and Flaviana, of whom the latter, when she was led to death, was stripped of the clothing which she wore, being allowed not even to keep sufficient covering for the secret parts of her body. But for that reason the executioner was convicted of having committed a monstrous crime, and was burned alive.

(C. Rolfe's translation in Loeb Classical Library)
Many thanks for that - rather inspiring - it's got to be worth a picture or two by somebody!
 
Yes, I think if I were a high born Roman sentenced to death along with my slaves, I would expect that propriety insist that I be allowed to wear at least a loin cloth as I suffered through a slow and agonizing death up on my cross. It would ensure that my slave attendants, crucified nude on either side of me, would be distinguishable from me, and would pay at least some respect to my higher station in life prior to my crime of treason.
Fascinating, Barb. As a Roman citizen you would be exempt from crucifixion (sorry) so presumably you would have to be stripped of your citizenship, and then you would qualify for exactly the same treatment as anybody else?
 
Fascinating, Barb. As a Roman citizen you would be exempt from crucifixion (sorry) so presumably you would have to be stripped of your citizenship, and then you would qualify for exactly the same treatment as anybody else?

All the more humiliating because everyone would know my true status, and my nudity would be all the more deliciously enticing and exciting to them.

I can just hear the slaves and plebes talking: "Do you know who she is? She is of the Senatorial class! Look! Stripped of her clothing and crucified, she is no better than anyone else. But think of her shame! I wouldn't have missed this for the world.

Or the Roman citizens: "It's a disgrace. She has been deprived of her Roman citizenship, but is it really right to crucify her naked like a common slave? Isn't there a danger that they will think themselves equal to us? But, nonetheless, I won't miss this for the world. It is so arousing to see someone of our station degraded and humiliated like this."
 
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All the more humiliating because everyone would know my true status, and my nudity would be all the more deliciously enticing and exciting to them.

I can just hear the slaves and plebes talking: "Do you know who she is? She is of the Senatorial class! Look! Stripped of her clothing and crucified, she is no better than anyone else. But think of her shame! I wouldn't have missed this for the world.

Or the Roman citizens: "It's a disgrace. She has been deprived of her Roman citizenship, but is it really right to crucify her naked like a common slave? Isn't there a danger that they will think themselves equal to us? But, nonetheless, I won't miss this for the world. It is so arousing to see someone of our station degraded and humiliated like this."
I expect they'd provide a titulus for you - not sure what the precise wording would be...
 
All the more humiliating because everyone would know my true status, and my nudity would be all the more deliciously enticing and exciting to them.

I can just hear the slaves and plebes talking: "Do you know who she is? She is of the Senatorial class! Look! Stripped of her clothing and crucified, she is no better than anyone else. But think of her shame! I wouldn't have missed this for the world.

Or the Roman citizens: "It's a disgrace. She has been deprived of her Roman citizenship, but is it really right to crucify her naked like a common slave? Isn't there a danger that they will think themselves equal to us? But, nonetheless, I won't miss this for the world. It is so arousing to see someone of our station degraded and humiliated like this."
On a historical point, going back to the Ammianus quote - bear in mind that, by the 4th century, the structure and system of slavery was changing, a large proportion, quite possibly the majority, of the population of Rome, would have been freed slaves or descendants of freedmen. The spectacle of a 'posh' woman being humiliated wouldn't have provoked unmixed horror - to put it mildly. :devil:
 
"Hammer Horror, Hammer Horror,
Won't leave me alone.
The first time in my life,
I leave the lights on
To ease my soul."

(From 'Hammer Horror' by Kate Bush 1978)

The expression 'Hammer Horror' might be taken to refer to the more violent aspects of crucifixion procedure. To the best of my knowledge Hammer Films never made a crux movie, which must be a great missed opportunity. Perhaps the nearest they came was 'Twins of Evil', in which the hapless victims are effectively crucified whilst burned at the stake.

'(b archive) Twins of Evil' is my only essay in the BATS genre. This was inspired by a still from the film's title sequence, in which Peter Cushing summarily immolates the woodsman's daughter. Needless to say, the crux pose was irresistible and the resulting A4 pencil drawing represents my only (virtually) fully dressed crux figure. As the clothing plays an important part in evoking the intense rising heat and the harsh light of the flames, I drew it in a stylised manner which gives the picture the feel of a woodcut from the witchcraze period.

Whilst the woodcut style is highly appropriate for the dry timbers being consumed, it would have been less effective for the flames themselves. Fire is a very elusive thing to portray, especially in lines drawn with a pencil. The picture relies on heavy chiaroscuro, the brightness accentuated by the darkness. Ultimately I dragged a pencil eraser through the dense background areas to create the flames. It was like drawing in reverse - the more I erased, the brighter the seat of the fire became. Flames, ashes, torn clothing and the girl's hair are all rising in the heat to contribute to the dramatic effect provided by the fiery light source. Despite her efforts to avoid the flames, her loose skirts are already alight, portending the inevitable.

Most of my drawings appear in sepiatone to provide a vintage quality consistent with scenes of times past. Putting the rather pale pencil drawing through Openoffice Draw provided the necessary increased contrast, and having given it the sepia treatment, I experimented with the colour balance. The colour version was produced by whacking the gamma setting right down from the sepia, and I was delighted to see the resulting fiery orange effect which emerged.

I did wonder if I had relied on exaggeration to produce the sensation of horror, especially in the wide open-mouthed scream of the victim. However, when I referred to the film still, it confirmed what I had drawn, and I was forced to conclude that this impassioned actress had actually dislocated her jaw during her desperate performance (but the show must go on!)
 

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"Hammer Horror, Hammer Horror,
Won't leave me alone.
The first time in my life,
I leave the lights on
To ease my soul."

(From 'Hammer Horror' by Kate Bush 1978)

The expression 'Hammer Horror' might be taken to refer to the more violent aspects of crucifixion procedure. To the best of my knowledge Hammer Films never made a crux movie, which must be a great missed opportunity. Perhaps the nearest they came was 'Twins of Evil', in which the hapless victims are effectively crucified whilst burned at the stake.

'(b archive) Twins of Evil' is my only essay in the BATS genre. This was inspired by a still from the film's title sequence, in which Peter Cushing summarily immolates the woodsman's daughter. Needless to say, the crux pose was irresistible and the resulting A4 pencil drawing represents my only (virtually) fully dressed crux figure. As the clothing plays an important part in evoking the intense rising heat and the harsh light of the flames, I drew it in a stylised manner which gives the picture the feel of a woodcut from the witchcraze period.

Whilst the woodcut style is highly appropriate for the dry timbers being consumed, it would have been less effective for the flames themselves. Fire is a very elusive thing to portray, especially in lines drawn with a pencil. The picture relies on heavy chiaroscuro, the brightness accentuated by the darkness. Ultimately I dragged a pencil eraser through the dense background areas to create the flames. It was like drawing in reverse - the more I erased, the brighter the seat of the fire became. Flames, ashes, torn clothing and the girl's hair are all rising in the heat to contribute to the dramatic effect provided by the fiery light source. Despite her efforts to avoid the flames, her loose skirts are already alight, portending the inevitable.

Most of my drawings appear in sepiatone to provide a vintage quality consistent with scenes of times past. Putting the rather pale pencil drawing through Openoffice Draw provided the necessary increased contrast, and having given it the sepia treatment, I experimented with the colour balance. The colour version was produced by whacking the gamma setting right down from the sepia, and I was delighted to see the resulting fiery orange effect which emerged.

I did wonder if I had relied on exaggeration to produce the sensation of horror, especially in the wide open-mouthed scream of the victim. However, when I referred to the film still, it confirmed what I had drawn, and I was forced to conclude that this impassioned actress had actually dislocated her jaw during her desperate performance (but the show must go on!)
I would have never thought that 38 years after Kate Bush released her 'Lionheart' album, I would be seeing it referenced on a crux forum:p
Very impressive BATS artwork bobinder, I really like your drawing of 'Twins of Evil'. I think you nailed the crux of it.
I much prefer your drawing to the stills, yours is much more erotic.
 
"Hammer Horror, Hammer Horror,
Won't leave me alone.
The first time in my life,
I leave the lights on
To ease my soul."

(From 'Hammer Horror' by Kate Bush 1978)

Is it really 38 years Hondo? Wow.

This is a great pic Bob, full of energy and character.

But you're quoting Kate Bush, Malins is referencing Led Zep, and Fox has just posted a picture of Bo Derek.
I feel like I'm reliving my teenage years!

I got over Bo Derek pretty early on, but I'm still a fan Of Kate Bush and Led Zeppelin
Mmmm, Kate Bush crucified . . . . .

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