Crucified males

[Tricia]

Most everyone I know in real life would be mortified to be displayed naked. It would be a very humiliating aspect of crucifixion to them if they were stripped naked in front of a crowd, psychologically maybe right up there with being nailed to the cross. I realize that many here wouldn't feel that way, are proud of their bodies and want to show them off, etc., but it's all a matter of culture and what people were raised to believe.

And obviously, humiliation from nakedness in front of others is contextual. A woman who would wear a thong bikini on a beach where others are wearing very little might be embarrassed if she were forced to wear it into a busy supermarket (except for Walmart, where people will wear anything).

Which brings up a question that has been discussed before, I know: If a woman feels humiliation and shame at being stripped naked prior to her crucifixion, would she feel less humiliated if she were part of a group of three or more women, all of them stripped naked and about to be crucified?

What if she were being crucified in a group of three, along with two men, and they were all stripped naked? Would that be less humiliating to her, or perhaps even more humiliating due to the contrast of her female body alongside the two males?

What if she has to stand there naked, watching the others who were also naked, as they are nailed to their crosses and raised, and she sees how they writhe and twist without regard to the display of their naked bodies that they are giving the crowd; would that make her want to do things to avoid having them see her like that? Try to keep her legs together, try not to writhe and twist so much? Perhaps I'll include that aspect in a story sometime, hmmm...

Exactly Jedakk, you bring up great points. Our nudity is all relative to the circumstances at hand. For me, to be stripped or to be forced to strip both work for me in my fantasies.

I have fantasized about standing in the court and having the magistrate say “Why does this prisoner wear clothes in my court? Strip her bare!!!” and being stripped and forced to my knees for my trial. The humiliation of being in the court being tried naked while everyone else is wearing clothes and watching.

Likewise, I also love the thought of the magistrate saying to me “disrobe!!!” That one word has always worked for me.

I guess it depends on my mood.

 

[Tricia]

Exactly Jedakk, you bring up great points. Our nudity is all relative to the circumstances at hand. For me, to be stripped or to be forced to strip both work for me in my fantasies.

I have fantasized about standing in the court and having the magistrate say “Why does this prisoner wear clothes in my court? Strip her bare!!!” and being stripped and forced to my knees for my trial. The humiliation of being in the court being tried naked while everyone else is wearing clothes and watching.

Likewise, I also love the thought of the magistrate saying to me “disrobe!!!” That one word has always worked for me.

I guess it depends on my mood.

Jedakk, to answer your question of being stripped with others, I don’t think that I would feel less humiliated if there were other women or men present. The humiliation of the crucifixion and the whole process leading up to the crucifixion is what does it for me!

The nudity during the process is a must for me! I have never finished one of my fantasies without being completely naked on a cross. Although, it does occur at different times during the process in my mind.

Through the years, I have read through the debates of loincloth/no loincloth during crucifixion and when it should come off, or if it should stay on. I have to admit that I do enjoy a loincloth, especially on a man. However, in the end it has to come off!!!

There is nothing like a naked man on a cross!!!

 

[Deleted member jedakk]

Jedakk, to answer your question of being stripped with others, I don’t think that I would feel less humiliated if there were other women or men present. The humiliation of the crucifixion and the whole process leading up to the crucifixion is what does it for me!

The nudity during the process is a must for me! I have never finished one of my fantasies without being completely naked on a cross. Although, it does occur at different times during the process in my mind.

Through the years, I have read through the debates of loincloth/no loincloth during crucifixion and when it should come off, or if it should stay on. I have to admit that I do enjoy a loincloth, especially on a man. However, in the end it has to come off!!!

There is nothing like a naked man on a cross!!!

Of course as a practical matter, once the loincloth was removed it would help to keep the flies out of your face!

Another aspect of nudity, in addition to humiliation and shame, is vulnerability. For a man, wrists and feet nailed to the cross, it means that your penis and testicles are hanging there at the mercy of the executioner's imagination. Castration might be the least painful thing they could do to you, and could even be a mercy at the end of other tortures. They could smash your testicles all at once, beat them with a cane until they're swollen, black and throbbing, or maybe wrap them in wet rawhide and let them slowly be crushed as the hot sun dries the rawhide and it shrinks, just to name a few. The victim might beg for castration to escape the agony.

As long as you have your loincloth you feel less vulnerable, but then you have to contend with all of those flies in your face.

 

[Tricia]

Of course as a practical matter, once the loincloth was removed it would help to keep the flies out of your face!

Another aspect of nudity, in addition to humiliation and shame, is vulnerability. For a man, wrists and feet nailed to the cross, it means that your penis and testicles are hanging there at the mercy of the executioner's imagination. Castration might be the least painful thing they could do to you, and could even be a mercy at the end of other tortures. They could smash your testicles all at once, beat them with a cane until they're swollen, black and throbbing, or maybe wrap them in wet rawhide and let them slowly be crushed as the hot sun dries the rawhide and it shrinks, just to name a few. The victim might beg for castration to escape the agony.

As long as you have your loincloth you feel less vulnerable, but then you have to contend with all of those flies in your face.

Being Crucified in complete nudity in front of passers-by including women and children. Completely vulnerable to anything! Nudity has been used in punishment throughout history and I’m sure the Romans were very good at it.

Conquered people throughout history had their clothing taken away to shame and humiliate them.

 

[Trex]

Finally after 2 months, was able to be crucified again. I tried to add nails to my hands and feet but didn't like the result ><.
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Beautiful set of pics. Love that we get to see a bit more of you through those tight white briefs!

 

[Trex]

So, potentially dumb Q here, but was the crucifixion in Risen done nude? I'm a bit confused by the manips and thread.

 

[xinlonx]

So, potentially dumb Q here, but was the crucifixion in Risen done nude? I'm a bit confused by the manips and thread.

I haven't seen the movie myself but I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Those two pics were Manips excellently done by PhilX it's hard to tell the difference

 

[Balti]

I haven't seen the movie myself but I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Those two pics were Manips excellently done by PhilX it's hard to tell the difference

Nope the crucifixion was not nude in the original movie But the scene was new as concept. These crosses were fix objects and could be raised only On that spot. So that change a little the story from Bible. I am sure that usualy condemned waked with the patibulum on their shoulders but in the movie that scene is not present. Anyway the manipulations are very very hot. I like those muscle bodies with dirty feet nailed and big dicks on display. my fantasy remains a rape of a condemned MAN while his whrists are nailed to the wood Or the rape before crucifixion

 

[phlebas]

Another aspect of nudity, in addition to humiliation and shame, is vulnerability.

As others have said, context is part of it. To be bare, fixed helplessly to a cross, in front of other who are free and clothed. Degrading and humiliating. And truly helpless, they could do anything to you. The man or woman who would parade almost naked on the beach to show off and attract the opposite sex is not the same. Lack or freedom, lack of agency, and being made a spectacle, very different.

 

[PhilX]

I’m not so sure I can agree with your whole statement about “nakedness in Ancient times” and the correlation with crucifixion. Today, people frequent beaches and wear next to nothing or go to nude or topless beaches etc.

However, in my opinion if those same people were brought into a court, stripped naked and whipped in front of their whole community, forced to carry a cross naked through their town and then displayed bare on a cross in the middle of a busy intersection, they may not feel the same about their nudity. At least I wouldn’t.

Good points. I am also unsure about this acceptance of nudity in Classical times. Most advanced civilisations, which the Roman Republic & Empire were as was Ancient Greece, have a sort of civil code of what is offensive & what is not. I believe that though athletes in Greece were naked women were not allowed to see the games. I also wonder if the baths throughout Rome's empire were for mixed bathing, I doubt this, though I am sure the slaves in attendance were of both sexes for obvious reasons. I also doubt that slaves working in public places were allowed to be completely naked, on private estates probably they were & also at slave markets, but these were specific places where nakedness was to be expected thus being places families would keep their young children away from or husbands their wives.

So the notion that the ancient world was a huge hippy commune with folk going about naked if they wished is a bit far-fetched. Possibly at the end of the Empire standards slipped & more debauchery set in things got more lax - possibly due to craziness from lead poisoning...but I am guessing.

So the naked execution of criminals outside the city walls would not have violated conventions as it was outside the urban space, it was a place one went to thus making the nudity not something one going about a daily routine with ones young children would chance encounter.

Such shocking displays would have attracted people just for the interest of seeing nude people, & we do have a fascination with nudes for many psychological reasons. It is not always a fascination of desire, it can be the same attraction of freak-shows at fairs a century or more ago. The same attraction of being horrified at the cinema. Posh Roman women, used to depilated men, would thrill with mock-horror at the shock of viewing animal-like hairy & filthy commoners up on the crosses. As a man but not gay, I find looking at naked men a sort of comparison thing, like the temptation to check if I am bigger than the guy pissing next to me in a public toilet (I don't though!).

So beyond the torture, the idea of being the centre of public attention totally naked would have been very acute.

 

[Tygorn]

I think the "reason" why people - over all ages - were being attracted by public executions are quite different from the (psychological) reasons "we" (here at the forum, with our "special interest") are being attracted by stuff depicting such scenes or playing with such motives in our fantasy.

I am sure the question if a victim was naked or wearings some rags around his loins did not matter for the ancient "audience" witnissing a public crucifixion - it was the "amazing" event, that somebody was being tortured to death and executed in public which attracted the crowds and not the question, if he was naked or not.

Public executions over the ages did _always_ attract the crowds and the audience and it did not matter what clothing the victim was wearing - over the centuries condemned prisoners were crucified, burnt alive, quartered, broken on the wheel, hanged, put under the guillotine, and executed in many other different ways and so on... but the public event itself was the attraction.

So we should not confuse this with our private preferences. Obviously we "like" to look at such scenes in movies, media, art, books or whatever, because we want to see a "hot" or "handsome" victim (man or woman, depending on preference) on the cross and suffering (or take the role of a victim) and for that the question, if he/she is clothed or naked (and if you can see the genitals) is very important naturally - but these "sexual" implications we may feel when doing this have nothing to do with the gruesome "ancient reality". I am sure in ancient Rome a crowd witnissing a public crucifixion was not exactly "sexually aroused".
We might feel so because of our "special interest"/"fetish", but we should not confuse our fantasy with historic reality.

best regards
Ty.

 

[Eulalia]

I am sure in ancient Rome a crowd witnissing a public crucifixion was not exactly "sexually aroused".

Maybe not, but there are plenty of indications - from Ovid to Augustine - that audiences watching spectacles of cruelty and death in the arena were.
I don't see why a Roman (m or f) who watched an attractive criminal being nailed and hauled up, or simply paused to watch one already hanging, shouldn't have been similarly excited.

 

[PhilX]

There is something very dramatic, in many senses - & erotic is one of them - about a figure with their arms held out wide. I notice that now some of the swimmers at the Rio Olympics are being photographed in a crux-like pose, & it is a powerful image. So I am sure some of the watchers felt sexual arousal at the sight of crucified naked or nearly naked figures.

If anyone has read the complete version of Hugo's Les Miserables there is a lengthy preamble (I think around the bit in Paris at the Petit Picpus Convent) where Hugo writes at length about nuns in closed orders. At one point he describes the sexually repressed nuns, alone in their cells, letting their erotic imaginations run wild in front of the crucifix on the wall.

A girlfriend of mine long ago told me that when she was about twelve at an all girls Catholic convent school musing in boring lessons how she desperately wished she could lift the loincloth up on the crucifix to discover what was underneath!

 

[PhilX]

Being Crucified in complete nudity in front of passers-by including women and children. Completely vulnerable to anything! Nudity has been used in punishment throughout history and I’m sure the Romans were very good at it.

Conquered people throughout history had their clothing taken away to shame and humiliate them.

I notice in the papers that in Turkey last week the military guys arrested by Erdogan were stripped naked & abused as well as being taken from place to place in cars still naked. The humiliation continues!

 

[Loxuru]

I have often been told that nudity was more 'normal' in former times, compared to our 'prudish' era. The reason was, that more people lived on closer spaces than today, so that they got more easily confronted with each other's nudity.

On the other hand, clothing was intimately related to social status, and often, there were rigid dress codes to be observed. Social disgrace fell on those who ignored or neglected these codes. It was shameful not to show up dressed properly. In 'A distant mirror' Barbara Tuchman writes how Christian Knights, taken away in captivity by the Turcs, were as much ashamed by their defeat, as by the fact that they were not allowed wearing a headgear.

Often, on depictions of public executions show the condemned naked but a loincloth. Condemned to hang, drawn and quartered, were emasculated on the scaffold, implicating nudity. Joan of Arc is said to have been stripped naked when tied at the stake.

So, could it be that there was a difference in perception of nudity, depending whether it was in the private or public realm.?Stripping the condemned in public was humiliating, probably not only because of exposing their bare nudity, but also because of the deprival of everything that expressed their social status : their dress.

 

[Tricia]

A girlfriend of mine long ago told me that when she was about twelve at an all girls Catholic convent school musing in boring lessons how she desperately wished she could lift the loincloth up on the crucifix to discover what was underneath!

I remember lying in bed alone at night and looking at the wooden lifelike crucifix on the wall in my room and feeling so turned on at the sight of crucifixion and wishing the same thing.

 

[Tricia]

Stripping the condemned in public was humiliating, probably not only because of exposing their bare nudity, but also because of the deprival of everything that expressed their social status : their dress.

Yes I agree. Going back to the theory that even people who enjoy going nude or topless on a beach don't routinely do it in the supermarket. However, they would most likely feel humiliated by being stripped in public, whipped and crucified nude or even with a loincloth. BTW, my opinion on a loincloth being left on a condemned prisoner during a Roman Crucifixion was highly unlikely, but I digress.

It's hard to imagine today, but think of soldiers bringing you into your home town, stripping you naked, whipping you in front of your family, friends and neighbors and then forcing you to carry a heavy cross to your place of execution wearing nothing or next to nothing at all. I know how I would feel!

 

[PhilX]

You say Tricia; "BTW, my opinion on a loincloth being left on a condemned prisoner during a Roman Crucifixion was highly unlikely."

I agree entirely, just what was the point of tearing off clothing of a degraded criminal just to coyly leave something to maintain their dignity round their waists. It was all or nothing I am sure.

 

[BondageBoy]

I remember lying in bed alone at night and looking at the wooden lifelike crucifix on the wall in my room and feeling so turned on at the sight of crucifixion and wishing the same thing.

Me too. Lying on my bed in my briefs with my arms spread out...staring at the large crucifix on my bedroom wall...and wishing it was me that was on the cross and getting very "aroused". Ah...sweet memories of my youth!!

 

[Tricia]

You say Tricia; "BTW, my opinion on a loincloth being left on a condemned prisoner during a Roman Crucifixion was highly unlikely."

I agree entirely, just what was the point of tearing off clothing of a degraded criminal just to coyly leave something to maintain their dignity round their waists. It was all or nothing I am sure.

I'm sure dignity was the last thing that they wanted for the condemned.