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Jucundus: Worst of the worst

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mp5stab said:
I personally think that Jucundus’ command of even shit programs like daz studio is worthy of more note. Everyone thought, for the longest time, that “creating on the computer” was something that the computer did. Now that this is more true, the eyes and skills of the digital artist are finally respected. But even so, those skills are not diminished with the use of AI. I just wish he used the AI for more crucifixion. Maybe going over a few of my own 3d works?
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I was staying away from crux, because I thought I would need a dedicated LORA to get it right. I even contacted @Condemned One if he would share his crux LORAs, but didn't hear back. But it appears that a good template might actually suffice, so maybe I should give it a try...
 
This may be an idiotic question, but I'll ask it anyway. Is it possible to create your own LORA without spending $1000 or more? And if this is possible then how to do it. Is it possible to train AI yourself and how to do it. I just downloaded foocus. I uploaded a picture of Semenov with a loop. Posted by Promt. And it turned out to be complete crap for me.
 
Doom701 said:
This may be an idiotic question, but I'll ask it anyway. Is it possible to create your own LORA without spending $1000 or more? And if this is possible then how to do it. Is it possible to train AI yourself and how to do it. I just downloaded foocus. I uploaded a picture of Semenov with a loop. Posted by Promt. And it turned out to be complete crap for me.
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It’s possible, it just takes time

jucundus said:
I was staying away from crux, because I thought I would need a dedicated LORA to get it right. I even contacted @Condemned One if he would share his crux LORAs, but didn't hear back. But it appears that a good template might actually suffice, so maybe I should give it a try...
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I also reached out to him about his Lora. No response. Maybe we should just go a make our own “cruxforums” Lora. With blackjack, and hookers
 
mp5stab said:
It’s possible, it just takes time


I also reached out to him about his Lora. No response. Maybe we should just go a make our own “cruxforums” Lora. With blackjack, and hookers
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Do you happen to know a link to any guide on this issue?
 
Aluafaen said:
I look at that picture and I feel nothing, nothing at all, no enthusiasm, no eroticism, it's just a bunch of pixels for me... :(

and the reason is simple..it was created by Ai...with minimal human help!:doh:

that's why I won't give a layman, it's not human work, the original works by the author who created it were more erotic and beautiful for me than this standing generated (art):(

feel free to ostracize me, but art is when a person creates it by hand, piece by piece, putting soul, grace and feeling into it... a machine can't do that.:BoredSmiley:
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As someone with some experience of both worlds, I can’t help but feel ironic to see you say that. I’m by no means an expert in 3D design, but I believe I might be one of the few on CF who actually knows how to create 3D human characters “by hand, piece by piece” as you put it.

It takes tremendous efforts to do that, making a base mesh with good topology, building a rig and weight painting the mesh, UV unwrapping, sculpting the details for the displacement and normal maps, hand painting the diffuse and roughness maps, creating and styling the hair, creating shape keys for expressions, and it goes on and on.

That’s what traditional 3D artists do to create a single realistic human character. And that’s why we didn’t see many people claiming to be a “3D artist” before Poser and Daz3D, which simplified it to become a matter of purchasing a model and posing it, as if playing with a doll.

As you can imagine, there would be many traditional 3D modelers who’d laugh you off if you claim you are a 3D artist because you’ve made Daz3D scenes “by hand, piece by piece, putting soul, grace and feeling into it”.

But if they deny you are a legitimate 3D artist, I’d defend you because I know it’s not what tools you use that makes you an artist, but what you do with them does. And as someone familiar with both types of the tool, I can assure you that AI gives you as much, if not much more, creative freedom and control as Daz3D provides.

I remember when we had fun making whip marks in Substance Painter. Even though we haven’t talked much since then, I still regard you as a fellow creator with good talents. I just wish you could consider the possibility that your criticisms against AI might be due to your inexperience with it, so you wouldn’t be so dismissive of the way I currently make most of my works nowadays.

P. S.: Sorry for the off topic post, jucundus. I won’t derail your thread further! :)
 
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Doom701 said:
This may be an idiotic question, but I'll ask it anyway. Is it possible to create your own LORA without spending $1000 or more? And if this is possible then how to do it. Is it possible to train AI yourself and how to do it. I just downloaded foocus. I uploaded a picture of Semenov with a loop. Posted by Promt. And it turned out to be complete crap for me.
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Try Civitai. They provide an easy to use UI for training Loras. You can also run things like Kohya SS on RunPod, or other similar services. But probably it’d be best if we can move such discussions to a more appropriate place, so we won’t clutter the thread with off topic posts.
 
For the record, I make custom sculpts for my characters, and make almost all of the 3d props I use with my art. But I agree with @fallenmystic on the “digital dollhouse” point. Jucundus to his credit, is fantastically committed to quality, and produces unique and realistic art in every medium he applies himself.
 
Hornet1ba said:
AI does great whip marks on a 3d character: inpainting with a Pony XL checkpoint get the job done.
I suck at doing whip marks by the way, that's why i avoid it in my 3d stuff.

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Whipmarks were the one thing i was struggling with! Well that and posing. And the other small details….
 
jucundus said:
Well, we solved the crux AI issue, with the help of a LORA by @Hornet1ba and images contributed by @mp5stab. See my other thread for more

Here is another image based on a template, this time by Bruce Morgan. I already posted it at Visions of Darkness, but some of you might not have seen it.

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This is how the English King Edward II was killed. I wonder where the blow will be struck. Which hole?
 
jucundus said:
I got the same comment on VoD. Haven't even heard of the man before. Must be an imprinting tale for Anglo-Saxon sadists.
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This is a series of books by Maurice Druon. Damn kings. The cunning bishop sent the king's jailers a letter containing two words. No trace. The jailers thought for a long time and finally figured out how to do this. The historical fact is that Edward II was killed. Perhaps he was killed that way.
 
jucundus said:
Well, we solved the crux AI issue, with the help of a LORA by @Hornet1ba and images contributed by @mp5stab. See my other thread for more

Here is another image based on a template, this time by Bruce Morgan. I already posted it at Visions of Darkness, but some of you might not have seen it.

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No words, other than magnificent work which doesn't seem adequate.

To an old sadist like me, it just doesn't get better that this.

Thank you Sir for sharing.
 
I guess video will be the next big thing.

I doubt that much will improve for perverted hobbyists like me. The gold rush period of the past 2 years has produced some open source stand alone tools, which is what most of us here are using. But the overall trend seems to go towards online image generation (due to hardware demands) where censorship comes as a reflex.

I might be wrong, though. But I actually hope for slow progress, now that I know some AI basics. To be honest, what I liked about CGI was that the basic workflow didn't change all the time, so that I could focus on being creative. I never even made the transition to blender, because learning a new software to basically do the same thing slightly better is totally dreadful.
 
jucundus said:
I guess video will be the next big thing.

I doubt that much will improve for perverted hobbyists like me. The gold rush period of the past 2 years has produced some open source stand alone tools, which is what most of us here are using. But the overall trend seems to go towards online image generation (due to hardware demands) where censorship comes as a reflex.

I might be wrong, though. But I actually hope for slow progress, now that I know some AI basics. To be honest, what I liked about CGI was that the basic workflow didn't change all the time, so that I could focus on being creative. I never even made the transition to blender, because learning a new software to basically do the same thing slightly better is totally dreadful.
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I started in blender before dipping into the far less powerful Daz for the female models and premade goodies. The day blender or anything else has a genesis style editable topology character with good hair (lol) odds the day that I nail for that program. And honestly, I have been program shopping recently.
 
Using blender you can create custom morphs and upload them to daz. This is how I made the neck morph. And for the belly. But my knowledge there is almost zero. The master can probably do almost everything. And you can create morphs for clothes
It would be great if you could make bones in blender and import them into daz. You can make your own noose loop with variable geometry and a bunch of bones.
 
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