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I think a lot of it depends on how they've nailed the feet... if your feet are nailed one over the top of the other, your feet would pivot on the nail causing your feet to rotate inwards making harder to hold your weight on already mega agonised feet.

Feet nailed to either side of the post would be the lesser of the two.....

Trev
I agree with Trev. Not only would their feet rotate inward if they pushed, but their entire body weight is pressed against a singular point, rather than if they had them nailed separately on the side through the ankle. The former sounds more excruciating.

But for me, it's about aesthetics. Having a single nail driven through both feet (one on top of the other) just looks better for some reason. It adds to the sleek and slender hour-glass figure that our victims all have.

Just my thoughts....
 
But it's much more easier to nail the feet separeted to the stipes than to fix both feet with a single nail, if the feet are nailed directly to the vertical, the victim will get cramps in the calves.
 
I agree with Trev. Not only would their feet rotate inward if they pushed, but their entire body weight is pressed against a singular point, rather than if they had them nailed separately on the side through the ankle. The former sounds more excruciating.

But for me, it's about aesthetics. Having a single nail driven through both feet (one on top of the other) just looks better for some reason. It adds to the sleek and slender hour-glass figure that our victims all have.

Just my thoughts....

What is the intent of the executioners?:devil:

Nail one foot over the other to keep legs closer together...perhaps unintentionally preserving some dignity for the victim as her genitals will not be as exposed. I don't know what this will do for the time she survives on the cross...all other things being equal. I agree, CADRE, this does seem to accentuate the body line of the victim...the width of her hips, the length and curves of her thighs and legs, for example...and perhaps she'll squirm side to side more, most appealingly!. But nailing one foot over the other has to be very difficult. Perhaps best done with the whole cross on the ground.

Nailing the feet separately allows the executioner to space them as close or as far apart as desired. This will increase/maximize the view of (and access to) her genitals and no doubt increase her sense of humiliation (if that's even possible...or even a concern...for someone otherwise nailed naked to a cross). I suspect this gives more support especially if her feet are nailed to a separate piece of wood that is then affixed to the upright. No doubt much easier to do than one long nail through both feet. Will also give more support, I think, and will increase her time on the cross...again, all other things being equal.

In my fantasies it would be two nails...I want to feel a breeze between my hot, sweaty thighs!:eek:;):D...and give all of you watching a sweet view!:p:D
 
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What is the intent of the executioners?:devil:

Nail one foot over the other to keep legs closer together...perhaps unintentionally preserving some dignity for the victim as her genitals will not be as exposed. I don't know what this will do for the time she survives on the cross...all other things being equal. I agree, CADRE, this does seem to accentuate the body line of the victim...the width of her hips, the length and curves of her thighs and legs, for example...and perhaps she'll squirm side to side more, most appealingly!. But nailing one foot over the other has to be very difficult. Perhaps best done with the whole cross on the ground.

Nailing the feet separately allows the executioner to space them as close or as far apart as desired. This will increase/maximize the view of (and access to) her genitals and no doubt increase her sense of humiliation (if that's even possible...or even a concern...for someone otherwise nailed naked to a cross). I suspect this gives more support especially if her feet are nailed to a separate piece of wood that is then affixed to the upright. No doubt much easier to do than one long nail through both feet. Will also give more support, I think, and will increase her time on the cross...again, all other things being equal.

In my fantasies it would be two nails...I want to feel a breeze between my hot, sweaty thighs!:eek:;):D...and give all of you watching a sweet view!:p:D

I like Roxie's thoughtful response to this issue. Why not give them that sweet view :p:rolleyes:
 
As Eul demonstrates with knees bent it becomes work to hold your knees together when nailed with a single spike.
eul crucified 1st hour jpeg.jpg
It can be done but it quickly becomes too much effort. So instead of being forced to have her legs spread she allows it, furthering her shame...
 
What is the intent of the executioners?:devil:

Nail one foot over the other to keep legs closer together...perhaps unintentionally preserving some dignity for the victim as her genitals will not be as exposed. I don't know what this will do for the time she survives on the cross...all other things being equal. I agree, CADRE, this does seem to accentuate the body line of the victim...the width of her hips, the length and curves of her thighs and legs, for example...and perhaps she'll squirm side to side more, most appealingly!. But nailing one foot over the other has to be very difficult. Perhaps best done with the whole cross on the ground.

Nailing the feet separately allows the executioner to space them as close or as far apart as desired. This will increase/maximize the view of (and access to) her genitals and no doubt increase her sense of humiliation (if that's even possible...or even a concern...for someone otherwise nailed naked to a cross). I suspect this gives more support especially if her feet are nailed to a separate piece of wood that is then affixed to the upright. No doubt much easier to do than one long nail through both feet. Will also give more support, I think, and will increase her time on the cross...again, all other things being equal.

In my fantasies it would be two nails...I want to feel a breeze between my hot, sweaty thighs!:eek:;):D...and give all of you watching a sweet view!:p:D
Romans liked to humiliate condemned. Because that nailing the feet separately is better
 
What is the intent of the executioners?:devil:

Nail one foot over the other to keep legs closer together...perhaps unintentionally preserving some dignity for the victim as her genitals will not be as exposed. I don't know what this will do for the time she survives on the cross...all other things being equal. I agree, CADRE, this does seem to accentuate the body line of the victim...the width of her hips, the length and curves of her thighs and legs, for example...and perhaps she'll squirm side to side more, most appealingly!. But nailing one foot over the other has to be very difficult. Perhaps best done with the whole cross on the ground.

Nailing the feet separately allows the executioner to space them as close or as far apart as desired. This will increase/maximize the view of (and access to) her genitals and no doubt increase her sense of humiliation (if that's even possible...or even a concern...for someone otherwise nailed naked to a cross). I suspect this gives more support especially if her feet are nailed to a separate piece of wood that is then affixed to the upright. No doubt much easier to do than one long nail through both feet. Will also give more support, I think, and will increase her time on the cross...again, all other things being equal.

In my fantasies it would be two nails...I want to feel a breeze between my hot, sweaty thighs!:eek:;):D...and give all of you watching a sweet view!:p:D
Yes, her feet would have to be nailed to the stipes while the cross was still on the ground. And, as Tree mentioned above, if both of her feet were pierced by a single nail, it requires an increasing amount of effort (accompanied by more pain of course) for the victim to press her knees together the longer that she hangs from the cross.

In addition to aesthetics like I'd already said, I like to think of it this way Roxie: after you grow exhausted from hanging on the cross, you have two options: 1) you can endure the pain of pressing your knees together(while twisting your feet on the nail) to preserve some form of dignity, or 2) you can forsake your dignity and assume a less painful position (knees spread, feet pierced by a single nail, and your sex fully exposed). It's like giving you a choice Roxie: humiliation or pain - it adds to your mental anguish. :devil:
 
Yes, her feet would have to be nailed to the stipes while the cross was still on the ground. And, as Tree mentioned above, if both of her feet were pierced by a single nail, it requires an increasing amount of effort (accompanied by more pain of course) for the victim to press her knees together the longer that she hangs from the cross.

In addition to aesthetics like I'd already said, I like to think of it this way Roxie: after you grow exhausted from hanging on the cross, you have two options: 1) you can endure the pain of pressing your knees together(while twisting your feet on the nail) to preserve some form of dignity, or 2) you can forsake your dignity and assume a less painful position (knees spread, feet pierced by a single nail, and your sex fully exposed). It's like giving you a choice Roxie: humiliation or pain - it adds to your mental anguish. :devil:
Roxie has no pride... so what happens now???
 
What is the intent of the executioners?:devil:

Nail one foot over the other to keep legs closer together...perhaps unintentionally preserving some dignity for the victim as her genitals will not be as exposed. I don't know what this will do for the time she survives on the cross...all other things being equal. I agree, CADRE, this does seem to accentuate the body line of the victim...the width of her hips, the length and curves of her thighs and legs, for example...and perhaps she'll squirm side to side more, most appealingly!. But nailing one foot over the other has to be very difficult. Perhaps best done with the whole cross on the ground.

Nailing the feet separately allows the executioner to space them as close or as far apart as desired. This will increase/maximize the view of (and access to) her genitals and no doubt increase her sense of humiliation (if that's even possible...or even a concern...for someone otherwise nailed naked to a cross). I suspect this gives more support especially if her feet are nailed to a separate piece of wood that is then affixed to the upright. No doubt much easier to do than one long nail through both feet. Will also give more support, I think, and will increase her time on the cross...again, all other things being equal.

In my fantasies it would be two nails...I want to feel a breeze between my hot, sweaty thighs!:eek:;):D...and give all of you watching a sweet view!:p:D
This one's for you roxie ;) After hanging from your cross long enough, you lack the strength and mental stamina to push up with your feet. Then, you simply hang from your wrists. How's that breeze...:devil:
 

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But it's much more easier to nail the feet separeted to the stipes than to fix both feet with a single nail, if the feet are nailed directly to the vertical, the victim will get cramps in the calves.

That is true but with the feet on the sides there is no foundation and the thighs become the driving force in raising up.

Trust me ... I know! Nails excluded
. ;)

You really feel helpless!
 
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Just caught up with this.

Naraku mentions the square section of the nails in Roman times, & he says correctly that if nailed through the ankles the grinding of bone every time the victim struggles up for breath would be extremely painful, the ground bits of bone in the wound would also add to this pain. If the corner of the square nail was positioned upwards then just bearing one's weight down on the sharp edge would also be constant agony. I'm sure the executioners knew all these added ways of increasing the torture.

With a nail for each foot the inventiveness of the executioners in splaying wide the knees & exposing the intimate parts fully would also be easier. I posted a B&W image long ago of a way to do this by placing the soles of the feet flat against each side of the stipes beam. Full humiliation of the victim is a lot of what crucifixion was about, so the single nail through both feet keeping the legs together seems contrary to this. As is the sitting to the side position in Scorsese's movie.
 
Ah, we'll, Roman executioners did not have to worry about the church's sensitivities about exposing Jesus' genitals, or the movie ratings people who have to be pleased if you want to avoid an X rating.
 

Initial Observations, Haas, 1970
In his article "Anthropological Observations on the Skeletal Remains from Giv'at ha-Mivtar" published in the Israel Exploration Journal in 1970, Nicu Haas of the Department of Anatomy at Hebrew University, wrote of the remains of a man crucified:

The whole of our interpretation concerning the position of the body on the cross may be described briefly as follows: The feet were joined almost parallel, both transfixed by the same nail at the heels, with the legs adjacent; the knees were doubled, the right one overlapping the left; the trunk was contorted; the upper limbs were stretched out, each stabbed by a nail in the forearm.
— Israel Exploration Journal, Vol-20, 1970

Haas was unable to examine the remains any further because of serious health problems, and while his conclusions became widely accepted by the general public, several errors in his observations were later identified by Joseph Zias and Dr. Eliezer Sekeles at the Hebrew University - Hadassah Medical School in their 1985 reappraisal.

Reappraisal, Zias & Sekeles, 1985
In 1985, Joe Zias, curator of the Israel Department of Antiquities and Museums, and Dr. Eliezer Sekeles, from the Hadassah Medical Center, reexamined the crucifixion remains. They discovered that Haas' analysis was fraught with errors:

The nail was shorter than Haas had reported and thus would not have been long enough to pierce two heel bones and the wood. Pieces of bone had been misidentified (11.5 cm iron nail). There was no bone from a second heel; the nail pierced only one heel. Some of the bone fragments were from another individual.
— Israel Exploration Journal, Vol. 35, 1985
 
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Yes, this is the pose in the Scorsese film & also Jesus of Montreal. I don't like it much as it is rather coy. But I cannot deny the evidence. - though if the same nail went through two ankles why couldn't they be fixed to the side?

Anyway I just think there were loads of ways victims were fixed to crosses, the creativity of the executioners must have produced lots of differing poses for amusement & torture. Upside-down might have been more common than just St Peter. And with that the cross wasn't inverted as the paintings show, it more likely would have ben the legs pulled apart along the platibulum & the wrists nailed to the stipes below the head; an interesting position, & one I would love to have tried with self crux, but I could foresee no way of getting out of it, so I never tried it!
 
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