Some Sketches

[DirkZ]

Is he between twins?
I want to be in the middle like him naked but with two male thieves..who tied up to the crosses with loin cloths
My never boring fantasy

He's in good company even if he probably can't see either twin very well placed side-to-side of him as they are. Too bad they aren't crucified across from him. At least the girl on his left is properly displaying herself to the crowd.

Yupar, wouldn't you want your thieves naked to best enjoy their erections?

 

[phlebas]

Is he between twins?
I want to be in the middle like him naked but with two male thieves..who tied up to the crosses with loin cloths
My never boring fantasy

With loin cloths because as a respectable lady you don't want to see their shameful male parts? You can't fool us!

He's in good company even if he probably can't see either twin very well placed side-to-side of him as they are. Too bad they aren't crucified across from him. At least the girl on his left is properly displaying herself to the crowd.

Yupar, wouldn't you want your thieves naked to best enjoy their erections?

Possibly she would be too absorbed in her own ordeal to even notice their nakedness, as in this old manip of mine. At least in this more recent update I gave one of her partners an erection, but she still isn't looking!




Sorry to intrude on your wonderful thread, Andyman

 

[Yupar]

Yupar, wouldn't you want your thieves naked to best enjoy their erections?

With loin cloths because as a respectable lady you don't want to see their shameful male parts? You can't fool us!



Possibly she would be too absorbed in her own ordeal to even notice their nakedness, as in this old manip of mine. At least in this more recent update I gave one of her partners an erection, but she still isn't looking!
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Sorry to intrude on your wonderful thread, Andyman

I still remember those two pic i enjoyed

 

[TomiRex]

I want to be in the middle like him naked but with two male thieves..who tied up to the crosses with loin cloths
My never boring fantasy

OMG, we share taste so fully...! At least 50% of what makes a crux fantasy work for me these days is if The Girl is the only one naked and the only one nailed to the cross among men.
For example, she and some men are a band of brigands who get caught, but only she gets the maxx treatment, naked march to the cross, naked crucifixion & nails, because of course only she's pretty naked and because the nails make her fellow marauders feel bad because she is a lady and yet she got the worst of it...
I haven't found a SINGLE STORY like that on CF, the only thing I found that comes close is that spectacular manip of yours from 2017

I myself can't find it in me to write that kind of story, writing it myself would somehow spoil it for me

 

[thehangingtree]

I myself can't find it in me to write that kind of story, writing it myself would somehow spoil it for me

TomiRex, please remember to post as thumbnails instead of fullsized...

 

[TomiRex]

TomiRex, please remember to post as thumbnails instead of fullsized

It's not CF hosted, so if you know how to squeeze it, be my guest...

There, squeezed, I fucked around and found out

 

[Yupar]

OMG, we share taste so fully...! At least 50% of what makes a crux fantasy work for me these days is if The Girl is the only one naked and the only one nailed to the cross among men.
For example, she and some men are a band of brigands who get caught, but only she gets the maxx treatment, naked march to the cross, naked crucifixion & nails, because of course only she's pretty naked and because the nails make her fellow marauders feel bad because she is a lady and yet she got the worst of it...
I haven't found a SINGLE STORY like that on CF, the only thing I found that comes close is that spectacular manip of yours from 2017

I myself can't find it in me to write that kind of story, writing it myself would somehow spoil it for me

Ohhh..i forgot that already .. could u please show me that original post of mine...?
Actually i did some like that a lot..
That's my fix fram of theme mostly.
You can see few in my deviant

https://www.deviantart.com/yupar

And my two cf projects colloborated with CF colleagues..

Love Story Of Ayesha And Remus...

Our Latest production will come soon... Yupar as Ayesha... Racing Rodent as Remus... Excellent illustration by Mermaid Hunter... Editing wz great efforts by Little Siss.. P.S..Dear all moderators, let us post full size a bit..three pics only..the rest will b tumbnails..;)

www.cruxforums.com

And

Yupar's Passion - Regina Iudaeorum

I and RR started a role play of my fantasy based on Tyra's day of agony at 20Nov2013. We just did few lines a bit each time. But after long journey, we were writing a long story wzout knowing. That is very dtls than original n finally different from it. Then I decided to create this project. I...

www.cruxforums.com

Hope you will enjoy them.

 

[TomiRex]

Ohhh..i forgot that already .. could u please show me that original post of mine...?

LOL I hope you are not testing if I nicked it from somewhere

It's here

And my two cf projects colloborated with CF colleagues..
https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/love-story-of-ayesha-and-remus.2774/ And
https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/yupars-passion-regina-iudaeorum.3604/
Hope you will enjoy them.

As to these two stories, unlike your short stories on Patreon these are not in line with my formula: the hmmughhly loincloth is there almost all the way...
I'm also not into back-ruining super-bloody whipping at all, I consider it an abomination introduced into kink fantasies by that late life maniac Mel Gibson. So many stories, notably Diocletian's (Aelia and Scapegoat) are totally ruined for me by it, despite fitting my bill in other areas

 

[Andyman]

"My centurion, the convict is ready to be crucified. But we have a problem. She refused to eat while in prison, wanting the procurator to change the sentence, maintaining her innocence, so now, after two days without food, she is too weak to lift her beam up, the more to carry such a burden to the hill, my centurion!"
"Well, you are perhaps right. Don't load her with the patibulum then. There is enough of wooden beams left after the previous executions there on the hill, so it could be helped with no problem. But make sure that she wouldn't run away and hide between the crowds! There are many people supporting the rebellious villagers in this damned town! So, not only tie her hands, but strip her naked and barefooted - this will perfectly make her imagined escape impossible."
"So, do you want us to march the woman throughout the town in the nude, my centurion? Well, she is a wealthy villager herself and the people -"
"She WAS a wealthy villager, now she is a piece of trash and our toy. And yes, I want her to regret that she was born! Don't even hang the titulus on her neck. Carry it behind her over her head instead. Moreover, cut her hair above her shoulders. Not an inch of her body must be covered! I want these villagers to feel as humiliated as possible, and they will be really humiliated, looking at one of their ringleaders naked and debased! Of course, take the whole maniple with you to deter potential attackers."
"Yes, my centurion!"
"So, strip her now and march her to the gate and a hill, but not the straightest way! Let her walk for at least an hour around the whole town and through the main streets, to show her nakedness and shame to everyone and to gather as huge crowd as possible at the execution place. And then don't forget to abuse and rape her before nailing. Do whatever you want with her - you can even scalp her vulva and cut her nipples off. Let our "innocent" widow scream and squeal with shame and pain like a slaughtered piglet!"
"At your command, my centurion!"

 

[Loxuru]

"So, strip her now and march her to the gate and a hill, but not the straightest way! Let her walk for at least an hour around the whole town and through the main streets, to show her nakedness and shame to everyone and to gather as huge crowd as possible at the execution place. And then don't forget to abuse and rape her before nailing. Do whatever you want with her - you can even scalp her vulva and cut her nipples off. Let our "innocent" widow scream and squeal with shame and pain like a slaughtered piglet!"
"At your command, my centurion!"

Good! It is the responsability of a commander to give a soldier clear orders!

 

[Andyman]

You are right. That's why I sketched this kind of Y-poles only when the complete cross is to be raised, with the patibulum preliminary attached to the stipes. I have no idea what technique was really used to lift the separate beam up with the nailed victim near the top of the stipes and that's why I often skip this step of the whole process on my series of the sketches. If the ropes are to be used (as my sketches often suggest), the top of the stipes must be carefully prepared to allow such an operation. I am far from being sure how they really did it.

But even if the whole cross is to be raised, perhaps you still are right. Such Y-poles are far from being perfect. 1st: they must be pushed with the same force and speed to not allow the cross to rotate. 2nd: if the cross was not well balanced or immobilized in the perpendicular direction (i.e. if it tends to fall to the left or right) the Y-poles are not enough to prevent the fall; the wood on wood is rather not good anti-slip solution. So, I am still far from being happy with my knowledge (or at least verifiable assumptions) about the "cross engineering"...

If you have enough men, the lifting of the cross could be done easily. Pulling (the ropes) was easier and more safe than pushing (the Y-poles). In the beginning four men could raise the patibulum from the ground (0...30 degree) Then two of them could pull the ropes (slightly to the sides to secure the transversal stability of the cross) while the remaining two can push the stipes from behind (30...60 degree). When the cross was nearly vertical (60...90 degree) the ropes went less strung and the men at the stipes must make sure it didn't fall to the left or right (i.e. transversal stability). The base of the stipes must be immobilized to not slide during the process. When vertical (90 degrees), the pole/stiles could be additionally stabilized with wedges, hammered around its base.

However the problem of lifting of the cross being alone and the method of lifting of a separate patibulum (with the victim just nailed) near the top of the high cross were much more complicated.

 

[DirkZ]

If you have enough men, the lifting of the cross could be done easily. Pulling (the ropes) was easier and more safe than pushing (the Y-poles). In the beginning four men could raise the patibulum from the ground (0...30 degree) Then two of them could pull the ropes (slightly to the sides to secure the transversal stability of the cross) while the remaining two can push the stipes from behind (30...60 degree). When the cross was nearly vertical (60...90 degree) the ropes went less strung and the men at the stipes must make sure it didn't fall to the left or right (i.e. transversal stability). The base of the stipes must be immobilized to not slide during the process. When vertical (90 degrees), the pole/stiles could be additionally stabilized with wedges, hammered around its base.

However the problem of lifting of the cross being alone and the method of lifting of a separate patibulum (with the victim just nailed) near the top of the high cross were much more complicated.

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Looks very efficient. These guys are pros! Always good to go with an experienced crew to minimize the chance for any problems.

Like, what would happen if the cross began to tip over toward the front or to the side?

I wonder how long from nailing to raising to securing the cross in the ground?

 

[Hangnail]

However the problem of lifting of the cross being alone and the method of lifting of a separate patibulum (with the victim just nailed) near the top of the high cross were much more complicated.

This makes me suspect that typical crosses were quite low so that a few men could lift a patibulum with a nailed struggling victim and place it on the top of the stipes without special equipment. The victim's feet may not even have needed to leave the ground until the next stage of the process.

 

[Yupar]

LOL I hope you are not testing if I nicked it from somewhere

It's here

Thanks a lot.

As to these two stories, unlike your short stories on Patreon these are not in line with my formula: the hmmughhly loincloth is there almost all the way...
I'm also not into back-ruining super-bloody whipping at all, I consider it an abomination introduced into kink fantasies by that late life maniac Mel Gibson. So many stories, notably Diocletian's (Aelia and Scapegoat) are totally ruined for me by it, despite fitting my bill in other areas

Woa..you made me motivated in crux mood back...
Yeah..most of my shorts here and there are actually based on my daily mood too. When i was young...since i joined here 2009 ..my mood are upside down and swing always... So i drift myself in fantasy in my writing pieces and pic.
Now after my country 's coup forced me to leave there and started a new life, i dont have much time like that but...now is i'm still drifting in fantasy sometimes as more details in imagination alone.
I think my bits are pure and reflects my daily life and feelings time by time than making a long story.
Thank you

 

[Yupar]

"My centurion, the convict is ready to be crucified. But we have a problem. She refused to eat while in prison, wanting the procurator to change the sentence, maintaining her innocence, so now, after two days without food, she is too weak to lift her beam up, the more to carry such a burden to the hill, my centurion!"
"Well, you are perhaps right. Don't load her with the patibulum then. There is enough of wooden beams left after the previous executions there on the hill, so it could be helped with no problem. But make sure that she wouldn't run away and hide between the crowds! There are many people supporting the rebellious villagers in this damned town! So, not only tie her hands, but strip her naked and barefooted - this will perfectly make her imagined escape impossible."
"So, do you want us to march the woman throughout the town in the nude, my centurion? Well, she is a wealthy villager herself and the people -"
"She WAS a wealthy villager, now she is a piece of trash and our toy. And yes, I want her to regret that she was born! Don't even hang the titulus on her neck. Carry it behind her over her head instead. Moreover, cut her hair above her shoulders. Not an inch of her body must be covered! I want these villagers to feel as humiliated as possible, and they will be really humiliated, looking at one of their ringleaders naked and debased! Of course, take the whole maniple with you to deter potential attackers."
"Yes, my centurion!"
"So, strip her now and march her to the gate and a hill, but not the straightest way! Let her walk for at least an hour around the whole town and through the main streets, to show her nakedness and shame to everyone and to gather as huge crowd as possible at the execution place. And then don't forget to abuse and rape her before nailing. Do whatever you want with her - you can even scalp her vulva and cut her nipples off. Let our "innocent" widow scream and squeal with shame and pain like a slaughtered piglet!"
"At your command, my centurion!"

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Woa..your words are making me crazy...
I may make something new in these days if that mood goes on since your Holy Cow Passion Play
Feel like i keep coming here for your new short stories

If you have enough men, the lifting of the cross could be done easily. Pulling (the ropes) was easier and more safe than pushing (the Y-poles). In the beginning four men could raise the patibulum from the ground (0...30 degree) Then two of them could pull the ropes (slightly to the sides to secure the transversal stability of the cross) while the remaining two can push the stipes from behind (30...60 degree). When the cross was nearly vertical (60...90 degree) the ropes went less strung and the men at the stipes must make sure it didn't fall to the left or right (i.e. transversal stability). The base of the stipes must be immobilized to not slide during the process. When vertical (90 degrees), the pole/stiles could be additionally stabilized with wedges, hammered around its base.

However the problem of lifting of the cross being alone and the method of lifting of a separate patibulum (with the victim just nailed) near the top of the high cross were much more complicated.

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[Loxuru]

The base of the stipes must be immobilized to not slide during the process.

I think, that danger is the drawback of the method. A solid obstacle is needed to prevent sliding forward. Also keep in mind that, for stability, atleast about one third of the stipes length must be used as foundation in the soil. So, a steep hole of considerable depth was needed, which had to be dug out, without too much annular space between the stipes and the side of that hole!. These considerations are in favor of a permanent standing stipes.

 

[Eulalia]

These considerations are in favor of a permanent standing stipes.

Or at least execution grounds with permanent post-holes. Archaeologists do sometimes find post-holes in sites where a Christian cross probably stood, but I don't know if they've ever been identified in locations where they were used for actual crucifixions.

 

[Loxuru]

Or at least execution grounds with permanent post-holes. Archaeologists do sometimes find post-holes in sites where a Christian cross probably stood, but I don't know if they've ever been identified in locations where they were used for actual crucifixions.

If I would have to engineer that, I would foresee a 'slide' on one side of the post-hole, some sort of trench with a bottom sloping down into the direction of the hole. So, the base of the stipes, once being lifted up, could use the opposite wall of the hole as an obstacle, preventing it from sliding forward.

 

[DirkZ]

I think, that danger is the drawback of the method. A solid obstacle is needed to prevent sliding forward. Also keep in mind that, for stability, atleast about one third of the stipes length must be used as foundation in the soil. So, a steep hole of considerable depth was needed, which had to be dug out, without too much annular space between the stipes and the side of that hole!. These considerations are in favor of a permanent standing stipes.

For routine crucifixions I don't see executioners digging a deep enough hole in the earth for every cross raising. At a permanent location set aside for crucifixions, I imagine the construction of brick or wood-lined holes of sufficient depth to hold a cross securely upright. The back side of this construction is sloped downward to receive the end of the stipes when the complete two-piece cross, to which the condemned has been nailed by wrists and feet, is raised. Any forward sliding as the cross is raised simply dumps the foot end of the stipes into the hole. When the cross vertically drops to the bottom of the hole wood wedges are used to secure the cross in its upright position.

After the condemned has died simply knock out the wood wedges and the cross drops backward to the ground for easy removal of the body.

When unused, a stipes can be stored upright in the hole.

(Eulalia and Loxuru's posts, above, were made before I could finish my idea.)

 

[Andyman]

I think, that danger is the drawback of the method. A solid obstacle is needed to prevent sliding forward. Also keep in mind that, for stability, atleast about one third of the stipes length must be used as foundation in the soil. So, a steep hole of considerable depth was needed, which had to be dug out, without too much annular space between the stipes and the side of that hole!. These considerations are in favor of a permanent standing stipes.

Moreover, the deep hole (one meter or so) in the rocky ground couldn't be easily done nor cleaned. How to remove the small pieces of rock and sand from the bottom? You are right, this is not as good idea as it sounded...