Nailing Feet

[shutter]

One of my favorite ways of represent the Roman crucifixion.
Take a good look at the image of this woman... scourged and sentenced to death by crucifixion for stealing and attempting to kill a nobleman.
Now, after you've looked at her closely, i'm curious what you think about:

1) Approximately how many lashes do you think she was sentenced to before being crucified?
2) Approximately, give her an age.
3) What purpose do you have for the ropes to tie her arms to the wooden beam?
4) How were the nails hammered into her hands/wrists?
5) Finally, the most important question, how were her feet positioned? As for the nail, where exactly on her feet was it hammered in?

 

[shutter]

I'm curious on what you think! @nailed girl @fabrizio.976 @Hadrianus127 @Procurator0209
Try answer to the questions.

 

[nailed girl]

1 : she deserve 50 lashes
2 : she´s in her early twenties..maybe 23
3 : her arms tied on the ellbows to support her for longer suffering
4 : her wrists nailed between the bones , nails with wide heads
5 : her feet left over the right foot, with one big shanked spike
through her middlefoot bones near the ankles for good support.

 

[shutter]

1 : she deserve 50 lashes
2 : she´s in her early twenties..maybe 23
3 : her arms tied on the ellbows to support her for longer suffering
4 : her wrists nailed between the bones , nails with wide heads
5 : her feet left over the right foot, with one big shanked spike
through her middlefoot bones near the ankles for good support.

Uhhhh interesting opinions here!
So let's make more clear.

ABOUT 1) She has received 26 lashes in total with the flagrum. She has fainted twice, respectively at the 17 lash and at the 23.
ABOUT 2) Her age is 24, so pretty close!
ABOUT 3) Perfect explanation! It's correct.
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ABOUT 4, 5: take a better look, the nails aren't fixed in her wrists, so where?
As for her feet, yes it was be used a nail very long, and her feet have a wooden support to make them well placed to be nailed. So, in which precise area of her feet you see the long nail was hammered?

 

[nailed girl]

a bit mutch lashes with the flagrum, she could die for lack of
blood too fast, that whipp is extreme cruel

 

[shutter]

a bit mutch lashes with the flagrum, she could die for lack of
blood too fast, that whipp is extreme cruel

Yes, absolutely right Her flogging was stopped because of this reason and besides she fainted two times during the flagrum blows. How do you think she was tied to being flogged?

ABOUT 4, 5: take a better look, the nails aren't fixed in her wrists, so where?
As for her feet, yes it was be used a nail very long, and her feet have a wooden support to make them well placed to be nailed. So, in which precise area of her feet you see the long nail was hammered?

You still not yet answer me.

 

[Tmaster]

some nailings ..

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I was looking over this thread and Crux_221's post of Mar. 24, 2024, third illustration caught my attention. I was crucified in this position once, with just ropes of course. With one foot higher than the other, you want to push up to relieve the strain on your arms, but the one leg holds you down, so you can't get full relief. It also puts a twist on your lower back to add to your discomfort. It was the second most torturous position that I had ever endured.

 

[nailed girl]

the flagrum hurt more than the nailing, one hit is a painshock

Yes, absolutely right Her flogging was stopped because of this reason and besides she fainted two times during the flagrum blows. How do you think she was tied to being flogged?

You still not yet answer me.

sure she was tied with her arms high to a pole, when she fainted
her blood and sweat couvered body hung limp by her arms.
a bucket of cold water brought her back to conscious for some more strokes

 

[nailed girl]

hits with the flagrum feels like
a storm of spikes on the skin

 

[Wragg]

I was looking over this thread and Crux_221's post of Mar. 24, 2024, third illustration caught my attention. I was crucified in this position once, with just ropes of course. With one foot higher than the other, you want to push up to relieve the strain on your arms, but the one leg holds you down, so you can't get full relief. It also puts a twist on your lower back to add to your discomfort. It was the second most torturous position that I had ever endured.

Image by our very own @bobinder

 

[Tmaster]

Image by our very own @bobinder

Excellent illustration!

 

[shutter]

I was looking over this thread and Crux_221's post of Mar. 24, 2024, third illustration caught my attention. I was crucified in this position once, with just ropes of course. With one foot higher than the other, you want to push up to relieve the strain on your arms, but the one leg holds you down, so you can't get full relief. It also puts a twist on your lower back to add to your discomfort. It was the second most torturous position that I had ever endured.

Really really interesting!

 

[shutter]

One of my favorite ways of represent the Roman crucifixion.
Take a good look at the image of this woman... scourged and sentenced to death by crucifixion for stealing and attempting to kill a nobleman.
Now, after you've looked at her closely, i'm curious what you think about:

1) Approximately how many lashes do you think she was sentenced to before being crucified?
2) Approximately, give her an age.
3) What purpose do you have for the ropes to tie her arms to the wooden beam?
4) How were the nails hammered into her hands/wrists?
5) Finally, the most important question, how were her feet positioned? As for the nail, where exactly on her feet was it hammered in?
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@Tmaster i would see your opinion too

 

[Tmaster]

@Tmaster i would see your opinion too

Well, thank you for your request. To answer your questions, I'll take them in order. First, I would estimate she received about a dozen lashes with a heavy whip, like a bull whip. Secondly, I would guess she was in her early to mid-twenties. Third, the ropes were obviously added by an illustrator and really serve no purpose here. Most crucifixions that I have seen the ropes around the arms fasten them to the patibulum with the arms spread out wide. Fourth, the nails at the wrist appear to penetrate at the wrist where the bones of the hand and those of the forearm meet. Finally, the feet are placed one on top of the other, and the nail is driven through both in the center of the foot where the toes meet the foot bones. The nail should have been higher up in the middle of the foot. I have always used ropes, and I should point out that I was never nailed to a cross, and strongly recommend that no one actually try it. I have been in the position with one foot over the other, and side by side. It didn't seem to make a difference to me, however with the ankles tied to the sides of the stipes, you are more exposed, as well as it seemed a little more difficult to push up with your legs. You get more leverage with your feet against the stipes, I feel. I hope this answers your questions. If you have more, Shutter, feel free to ask.

 

[shutter]

Well, thank you for your request. To answer your questions, I'll take them in order. First, I would estimate she received about a dozen lashes with a heavy whip, like a bull whip. Secondly, I would guess she was in her early to mid-twenties. Third, the ropes were obviously added by an illustrator and really serve no purpose here. Most crucifixions that I have seen the ropes around the arms fasten them to the patibulum with the arms spread out wide. Fourth, the nails at the wrist appear to penetrate at the wrist where the bones of the hand and those of the forearm meet. Finally, the feet are placed one on top of the other, and the nail is driven through both in the center of the foot where the toes meet the foot bones. The nail should have been higher up in the middle of the foot. I have always used ropes, and I should point out that I was never nailed to a cross, and strongly recommend that no one actually try it. I have been in the position with one foot over the other, and side by side. It didn't seem to make a difference to me, however with the ankles tied to the sides of the stipes, you are more exposed, as well as it seemed a little more difficult to push up with your legs. You get more leverage with your feet against the stipes, I feel. I hope this answers your questions. If you have more, Shutter, feel free to ask.

That's an amazing explanation my friend! Perfect!

I am the one who modified the image, and to be precise, i added the ropes for the simple fact (apart from the fact that i really like them aesthetically), that the nails were driven precisely into the palms of her hands, so without ropes, her nailed hands would not fully support her body weight, while with her wrists nailed they would. So the ropes serve to support her more and... also to prolong her agony.

Her feet have a wooden platform as a support, typical in most cases of Roman crucifixions.
And yes, the nail was driven particularly close to her toes (something I love).

She was flogged with the flagrum, tied to the high flogging column with her arms raised and tied by the wrists with handcuffs of iron chains. Her arms were respectively positioned one on the left side of the column and the other therefore on the right side. And therefore with her facing towards the flogging column. She was whipped by two lictors positioned respectively one on her right side and the other on her left, alternating the lashes to her. After just 5/6 flagrum strokes she said that she was feeling very bad and therefore saying that she could not bear it any longer, but the lictors continued to flog her causing her to faint twice almost consecutively, at stroke 17 and stroke 23.
Yes, she was 24 years old. She also fainted from the pain at the precise moment that her feet were nailed, caused by hypovolemic shock for the blood loss.
While I was watching the executioners nail her, a lot of blood came out of her feet, something I have seen very few times in other executions. She continued to bleed for hours, and died shortly thereafter. Even after she died, and before they took her down from the cross, a little blood still came out of the wound from the nail on her feet.

Questions:
- What could have caused this heavy bleeding in her feet?
- What do you think about the nail that was driven precisely near her toes?
- (I'll add a little more to the story, just for fun)... even if in ancient Rome it wasn't like in our times, with different footwear, etc., it's normal that even after centuries, a person could have a very similar and in some ways identical odor to a person who lives today. So, going back to our story, one of the executioners of the crucifixion was very close while he was nailing her feet and says they smelled a little like vinegar. What do you think was the cause of her smelly feet?

 

[nailed girl]

That's an amazing explanation my friend! Perfect!

I am the one who modified the image, and to be precise, i added the ropes for the simple fact (apart from the fact that i really like them aesthetically), that the nails were driven precisely into the palms of her hands, so without ropes, her nailed hands would not fully support her body weight, while with her wrists nailed they would. So the ropes serve to support her more and... also to prolong her agony.

Her feet have a wooden platform as a support, typical in most cases of Roman crucifixions.
And yes, the nail was driven particularly close to her toes (something I love).

She was flogged with the flagrum, tied to the high flogging column with her arms raised and tied by the wrists with handcuffs of iron chains. Her arms were respectively positioned one on the left side of the column and the other therefore on the right side. And therefore with her facing towards the flogging column. She was whipped by two lictors positioned respectively one on her right side and the other on her left, alternating the lashes to her. After just 5/6 flagrum strokes she said that she was feeling very bad and therefore saying that she could not bear it any longer, but the lictors continued to flog her causing her to faint twice almost consecutively, at stroke 17 and stroke 23.
Yes, she was 24 years old. She also fainted from the pain at the precise moment that her feet were nailed, caused by hypovolemic shock for the blood loss.
While I was watching the executioners nail her, a lot of blood came out of her feet, something I have seen very few times in other executions. She continued to bleed for hours, and died shortly thereafter. Even after she died, and before they took her down from the cross, a little blood still came out of the wound from the nail on her feet.

Questions:
- What could have caused this heavy bleeding in her feet?
- What do you think about the nail that was driven precisely near her toes?
- (I'll add a little more to the story, just for fun)... even if in ancient Rome it wasn't like in our times, with different footwear, etc., it's normal that even after centuries, a person could have a very similar and in some ways identical odor to a person who lives today. So, going back to our story, one of the executioners of the crucifixion was very close while he was nailing her feet and says they smelled a little like vinegar. What do you think was the cause of her smelly feet?

the bleeding feet are not authentic, nailed feet or wrist cause not mutch bleeding, the nail stuck tight into the limbs and close the veins and arterias
like a cork in a bottle

 

[shutter]

the bleeding feet are not authentic, nailed feet or wrist cause not mutch bleeding, the nail stuck tight into the limbs and close the veins and arterias
like a cork in a bottle

Well, I'll answer you this way... both yes and no. It depends on the nail what cuts during the insertion, and instead I would say more yes than no.
The bleeding, regardless of whether it is strong or not, is still present. Let's say most of the time it is like this

 

[shutter]

Another execution in the Roman Empire. This time, this young woman was crucified to having almost fatal stubbed with a dagger a Centurion. She was a rebel and an anarchic.
Before the crucifixion she was severely flogged with the flagrum by two lictors!

Again after you've looked at her closely:

1) Approximately how many lashes do you think she was sentenced to before being crucified?
2) Approximately, give her an age.
4) How were the nails hammered into her hands/wrists?
5) Finally, the most important question, how were her feet positioned? As for the nail, where exactly on her feet was it hammered in?

 

[Tmaster]

That's an amazing explanation my friend! Perfect!

I am the one who modified the image, and to be precise, i added the ropes for the simple fact (apart from the fact that i really like them aesthetically), that the nails were driven precisely into the palms of her hands, so without ropes, her nailed hands would not fully support her body weight, while with her wrists nailed they would. So the ropes serve to support her more and... also to prolong her agony.

Her feet have a wooden platform as a support, typical in most cases of Roman crucifixions.
And yes, the nail was driven particularly close to her toes (something I love).

She was flogged with the flagrum, tied to the high flogging column with her arms raised and tied by the wrists with handcuffs of iron chains. Her arms were respectively positioned one on the left side of the column and the other therefore on the right side. And therefore with her facing towards the flogging column. She was whipped by two lictors positioned respectively one on her right side and the other on her left, alternating the lashes to her. After just 5/6 flagrum strokes she said that she was feeling very bad and therefore saying that she could not bear it any longer, but the lictors continued to flog her causing her to faint twice almost consecutively, at stroke 17 and stroke 23.
Yes, she was 24 years old. She also fainted from the pain at the precise moment that her feet were nailed, caused by hypovolemic shock for the blood loss.
While I was watching the executioners nail her, a lot of blood came out of her feet, something I have seen very few times in other executions. She continued to bleed for hours, and died shortly thereafter. Even after she died, and before they took her down from the cross, a little blood still came out of the wound from the nail on her feet.

Questions:
- What could have caused this heavy bleeding in her feet?
- What do you think about the nail that was driven precisely near her toes?
- (I'll add a little more to the story, just for fun)... even if in ancient Rome it wasn't like in our times, with different footwear, etc., it's normal that even after centuries, a person could have a very similar and in some ways identical odor to a person who lives today. So, going back to our story, one of the executioners of the crucifixion was very close while he was nailing her feet and says they smelled a little like vinegar. What do you think was the cause of her smelly feet?

the bleeding feet are not authentic, nailed feet or wrist cause not mutch bleeding, the nail stuck tight into the limbs and close the veins and arterias
like a cork in a bottle

the bleeding feet are not authentic, nailed feet or wrist cause not mutch bleeding, the nail stuck tight into the limbs and close the veins and arterias
like a cork in a bottle

Another execution in the Roman Empire. This time, this young woman was crucified to having almost fatal stubbed with a dagger a Centurion. She was a rebel and an anarchic.
Before the crucifixion she was severely flogged with the flagrum by two lictors!

Again after you've looked at her closely:

1) Approximately how many lashes do you think she was sentenced to before being crucified?
2) Approximately, give her an age.
4) How were the nails hammered into her hands/wrists?
5) Finally, the most important question, how were her feet positioned? As for the nail, where exactly on her feet was it hammered in?
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As I said before, her feet should have been nailed more to the middle of her feet. Nails driven in should act like corks. There would be blood, but restrained by the nails in her feet as well as her wrists. I was counting the whip marks visible on her side, and that's why I figured a dozen lashes. I feel I got her age correctly. Apparently there was more to this story then I was aware. By the way, Shutter, I like your avatar.

 

[shutter]

Thanks about the avatar and thanks for having reply.
Yes i particularly love the details, a really really much. And in the next i will ask more about feet nailed (what happens to the feet when were nailed)
Ok... More deep specific... Avoid the word 'should' try to answer about the first things that come in your mind. So i put again the questions here, try to help your self with the previous girl crucified.

- What could have caused this heavy bleeding in her feet?
- What do you think about the nail that was driven precisely near her toes?
- (I'll add a little more to the story, just for fun)... even if in ancient Rome it wasn't like in our times, with different footwear, etc., it's normal that even after centuries, a person could have a very similar and in some ways identical odor to a person who lives today. So, going back to our story, one of the executioners of the crucifixion was very close while he was nailing her feet and says they smelled a little like vinegar. What do you think was the cause of her smelly feet?

Last thing... Try answer to the questions and comment the crucifxion of this other young women.

Another execution in the Roman Empire. This time, this young woman was crucified to having almost fatal stubbed with a dagger a Centurion. She was a rebel and an anarchic.
Before the crucifixion she was severely flogged with the flagrum by two lictors!

Again after you've looked at her closely:

1) Approximately how many lashes do you think she was sentenced to before being crucified?
2) Approximately, give her an age.
4) How were the nails hammered into her hands/wrists?
5) Finally, the most important question, how were her feet positioned? As for the nail, where exactly on her feet was it hammered in?
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Let's go man, take your time and try